Paint match from Dunn Edwards Smoke & Ash to Sherwin Williams?
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Comments (12)I want to go a bit lighter and slightly grayer than this blue; prefer Dunn Edwards DE6344 Wisp of Smoke It's "Hinting Blue" from Sherwin Williams. Or maybe I will just lighten it up 15%....Hm. When you adjust a formula, you end up with a completely new and different color. It doesn't always work out as well as some would lead you to believe. You don't know what you're going to get until you have it mixed and dried - at that point you own the paint whether it's what you wanted or not. Revere Pewter is a good example. Cut Revere Pewter by 50% and you get a color that looks like CSP-500 Whisper or 1471 Shoreline. It's not what people imagine or expect 50% Revere Pewter should look like...See MoreSherwin Williams made an error with paint color mix/Should I repaint?
Comments (32)Double thumbs up to Lori for sharing a lot of good knowledge on color science. Some of the regional paint companies will have their paint chips organized very similarly because they are part of a trade group that creates the chipsets for them. I'm not sure if Dunn-Edwards is in one of this organizations though. Adrienne, I don't see any harm in trying to get the offending area repainted. It sounds to me like someone used the wrong formula, on that second color, or the database came up with a match and that second formula was used for some reason. I have some insight into the paint side of this. There is a database of tint formulas for all of the colors on the chip racks, as well as a way to match color samples that the customer sends in. Humans usually check these databases to make sure the formulas make sense. The formulas are also optimized to use less expensive tints. 90% of the time, the customer wants some form of white, gray or beige, so the paint is typically tinted with some combination of black, red oxide, yellow oxide, or raw umber. Magenta and gold/medium yellow is typically avoided if possible due to higher cost and lower durability (sadly, brighter organic pigments don't last as well as the oxides)....See MoreBM paint color close to Dunn Edwards "Midnight Spruce"
Comments (15)Lori, does this site match by formula or by “eyeball”? I know the brothers behind My Perfect Color. Jason and Dana Shaw. (altho we haven't spoken in years) They own a large Benjamin Moore/Hunter Douglas retail store in New Jersey and My Perfect Color is their online business. You would have to call My Perfect Color and ask if they rely on computer matching alone or if they have colorists to qualify color matches. It's a great question to ask! A little bit about formulas and computer matches... Paint stores can buy libraries of paint color data values - they can actually choose which brands. Some stores have every brand available while others select what they consider "top" brands. Of course, the more brands you include the more expensive the library is to purchase. These libraries of colors that the stores use are available from different vendors. Where the libraries come from is the vendors get fandecks and scan/measure the colors with spectrophotometers according to color measurement standards. The result is spectral data for each paint color. They take the spectral data and transform it mathematically into various color data value formats. Most notably, CIE L*a*b*. The CIE L*a*b* value is essentially the color's DNA, or fingerprint. That's the data value that's used to find color matches and compare how well they match. How well they match is qualified using a Delta E scale. As I pointed out above. Whenever there is a post on here about paint color formulas - how to use individual colorants to define a color, or tweak them by 25%, 50% etc., I'm sitting here at The Land of Color rolling my eyes and trying not to bang my head on my keyboard. Because conversations about formulas and individual colorants are stupid. And I can tell you why it's stupid...... and a waste of time. The formula is not the genesis of the paint color. The formula is just a recipe of ingredients that alter and change each other as they are blended; their individual characteristics literally get blended away into the base and each other. Rendering the formula, the list of individual colorants, useless. The CIE L*a*b* value is what is used to figure out everything about a paint color -- including the formula. There isn't a team of elves with a special 'gift for color' and extra-special artistic talents somewhere in an annex to Santa's workshop tinkering with colorants and creating thousands of paint colors manually using their little elfin' eyeballs. The question no one asks -- but needs to -- is where do the paint color formulas come from? And the answer is CIE L*a*b* values. If you have the CIE L*a*b* value for a paint color, you can manage color like a boss and figure out a bunch of stuff. Like a hue/value/chroma notation. Which is why I say if you understand hue/value/chroma and LRV you can rule the world. (the world of color). I call hue, value, chroma and LRV The Four Pillars of Color. But it's the formula, not the CIE L*a*b* value or hue/value/chroma notation, that's stuck on to the side of every paint can. So, that's why people glom on to the formula and why so many believe there is some secret code to decipher in the formula - some kind of code that's going to describe and define the paint color. And, again, the ultimate *code* that defines and describes a paint color is the CIE L*a*b* value. The "undertones" bullsh1t is just as stupid if not stupider than believing there's a *code* to crack with the colorants and formula. There is a more direct and much easier path. If you want to truly master color, then learn how we measure and quantify how we see and experience color. Stepping down off my soap box now....See MoreBenjamin Moore, Behr, or Sherwin Williams
Comments (35)You're welcome. To answer your initial question, if I had control/choice I would choose Aura matte for my new house walls. Maybe Regal on the ceilings. Painters are going to try to talk you into what they want to use. Sometimes it's about margins, sometimes it's simply what they prefer to work with (can't blame 'em). Exterior - I never tell a painter what paint he/she has to use because they're the ones who have to guarantee the paint job and exterior can be rough. Interior, however, is a different story. Weather isn't a consideration so I'll push harder to get what I want in terms of product. Most of the time the reason I push for a specific product is because it's color critical. It's not a true picture to compare paint price per gallon. You need to compare price per square foot. And the top tier grades like Aura cost about a nickel more per square; that puts the difference into perspective and gives you a more realistic view of affordability and value. In addition, the Benjamin Moore Color Stories colors can only be mixed in an Aura paint base. So choosing Aura gives you the option of full spectrum color if you want it....See MoreDana
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