Pink Pet/Caldwell Pink

8 years ago

In my garden right now, most of the roses are dormant. I have over 100 roses, and I had a dinner party the other night. I was able to pick about 10 roses for a table centerpiece, but that was ALL of the roses on the bushes - just one or two scattered here or there. We are having our normal long, hot summer. Added to 4 years of drought, the roses are sensibly resting.

Anyway, the only one of my roses which is in full bloom (or actually just finishing - it will start up again soon) right now is Pink Pet. I love this rose. I have had it for about 3 years. It took a while to get going, and the deer love it unfortunately, but it just keeps marching on and blooming. Here are some pics I just took 5 minutes ago.

Jackie

I bought mine as the found rose "Caldwell Pink", but HMF says they think this is really 'Pink Pet' (Lilley, 1928). ARS says it is a china, although evidently it was introduced as a polyantha. Acts like a china in my garden - small, twiggy growth, loves the heat. I was wondering, does anyone know if this ID has ever been confirmed by DNA?

Jackie

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altorama Ray

8 years ago

I know, that's why I don't have it but still want it.. :)I have tried zone pushing but realized its not really worth it when there are lots of roses that do grow well here. But I still want it..

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seil zone 6b MI
8 years ago
It looks beautiful and very happy!
altorama Ray
8 years ago
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I think if it had been it would be noted on HMF, but I'm not sure.

I have wanted this rose for a long time.
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"Caldwell Pink" is the found-rose name given for the variety in Texas (note that found names, being unofficial, are traditionally surrounded by double quotes, whereas registered names of cultivars get single quote marks). The rose is grown and shown, especially in the Southeast, as 'Pink Pet'. However, no one has ever demonstrated that this rose is the original, true 'Pink Pet'. And many of us doubt that it is, since 'Pink Pet' should be a China, and this rose, other than the fact that it repeats well, doesn't really resemble a China at all, either in its leaves, its prickles, or its flowers. It has been suggested that it may be a R. setigera hybrid, and the foliage seems to support that concept, but again, no proof. If you want to show it in an ARS sanctioned rose show, you can do so with 'Pink Pet' but not with "Caldwell Pink," and I'm sure that to some degree drives the idea of using the historic cultivar name. One thing I can say with fairly good certainty is that the Texas "Caldwell Pink" is exactly the same rose as we grow here as 'Pink Pet'. I don't think anyone would question that.
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jacqueline9CA
Original Author
8 years ago
Altorama - I too, frequently want roses which would not like my climate. I don't think a china rose would be happy where you live - it is in commerce all over the place, but I did notice on HMF that 100% of the US nurseries listed as having it were in the South or other warm climates. Be happy you can grow the old European roses - I can't.

Jackie
jacqueline9CA
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8 years ago
The British used to solve this problem (on large estates) by growing roses in greenhouses, but alas, that is not an option for most of us. Have you looked at all of the roses which have and are being hybridized for cold climates? Perhaps there is one in this style. You can't tell in the pics, but the individual blooms are quite small - perhaps 2 inches in diameter.

Jackie
Ken (N.E.GA.mts) 7a/b
8 years ago
I've been growing this great rose since the late 1980's. 20 years in hot Florida and I brought a mess of cuttings with me when I move in 08. Grows like a weed up here. No problems with winter. And it gets pretty darn cold here in the winter. Easiest rose I've ever seen to root. Beautiful late fall foliage.
altorama Ray
8 years ago
Yes Jackie I have 2 that are similar but they're ramblers. And I don't think I have room for any more roses!
sammy zone 7 Tulsa
8 years ago
Jackie, I have a bed of 5 Caldwell Pink roses. I think they are beautiful, and when they are in full bloom, they are especially beautiful. Michael Shoup at Antique Rose Emporium found it, and named it. However, the ARS says it is Pink Pet. Therefore, if we take the blooms to a rose society function, we are require to call it Pink Pet. In my opinion if I purchase it with one name, I do not feel good about calling it something else.

I like to repeat a rose in a bed. I have also done this with Perle d'Or (I don't want to get up, and look up the exact spelling).

Your blooms are lovely. Our zone is 7A, a perfect zone for this rose. Your blooms are lovely.

Sammy
comtessedelacouche (10b S.Australia: hotdryMedclimate)
8 years ago
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How nice to have something that blooms so well in the height of summer! And I see it has lovely autumn (Fall) foliage too...

I'm still trying to work out whether, and how, it might be related to 'Little White Pet' (aka 'White Pet'), the repeat-flowering sport or seedling of Felicite Perpetue...
Sara-Ann Z6B OK
8 years ago
Beautiful!
jacqueline9CA
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8 years ago
If Little White Pet is a sport of Felicite Perpetue, which is a sempervirens hybrid, and Pink Pet (aka Caldwell Pink) is a china, it appears that they could only be distantly related, although evidently they both have some china rose genes in them.

The bloom form is certainly very similar, but many roses have similar bloom form (such as Sombreuil, -aka Colonial White- and Madame Hardy) without being closely related.

Jackie
monarda_gw
8 years ago
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On Help Me Find, two commenters, one in northeast Ohio and one in Michigan (zone 5), say "Pink Pet" has no problem with cold winters, so Altorama might want to chance it. Though you would think that if such a tough, pretty, willing rose that had been around so long were hardy, you would now see it growing all over the place in cold areas. But ... global warming. They were selling a rose at the Union Square Greenmarket that looked a lot like this under the name of "The Cracker Rose" and I bought one.
altorama Ray
8 years ago
It has some polyantha in it doesn't it?
jacqueline9CA
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8 years ago
Pink Pet was originally introduced as a polyantha (but HMF has no info on its breeding). It was ARS which re-designated it as a china, presumably also with no information as to its breeding.

Jackie
altorama Ray
8 years ago
I know people grow it in zone 6, maybe 5. But I'll probably go with Sweet Chariot, I've grown it here before successfully ( if you don't count me accidentally killing it). Blooms like crazy and extremely fragrant. After this past (horrible) winter I'm waiting to see how they all do. They have some catching up to do yet.

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