Maréchal Niel does well here. HMF however lists it as a noisette not a tea.

It says "Noisette, Tea, Tea Noisette, Tea, Cl.." I think they modify their classifications often.

Great list. I am in South Ga and our conditions are similar (temp and weather wise).

She lists Robin Hood but the pic of him at her nursery has him in the ground in a pot. This seems a little ominous to me. I wonder if my Mozart who is in the ground without a pot is doomed (Robin Hood his one of his parents).

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John Starnes made a similar list for roses that love Florida. He prohibits reuse of his article so I am pasting a link to it.

https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/ezine.php?publicationID=650&js=0

Devoniensis does fantastic here. I have the climber which kinda sat there the first year then took off and has bloomed non-stop.

Madame Alfred Carriere is also wonderful here. A very light pink climber.

I have both the White and Pink Maman Cochet Climbers. They are very aggressive climbers here. They both can get a little blackspot when its raining every day in the summer but they drop the leaves and replace them super fast. Their beautiful flowers are sooo worth it.

~I think Jin has Maggie (?) Maybe she can comment on that one.

Crepuscule and Penelope both do well.

Rosette delizy is so cute! Both she and Mrs B R Cant are planted near each other and bloom a lot. They both get really wide before they get tall so give them a wide berth.

I recently got Rubens and it is healthy and a good bloomer. I'm rooting 2 cuttings right now. I think one is gonna take. The shape of the flowers are beautiful.

I just got Graham Thomas so can't comment on him yet.

One Austin that isn't mentioned a lot that is just awesome here, is Lilian Austin. I can't say enough about her and pictures don't do her justice. I have her in a pot own root. Planning on doing cuttings so I can have a lot more of her.

Souvenir de Madame Léonie Viennot has grown huge and hardly bloomed at all. It gets blackspot more than a lot of other roses. Im giving her more time. Ive had her a few years now. I might plant her so she can climb a tree somewhere out of sight if she wants to be nasty lol.

I got Mrs Woods Lavender Pink Noisette by accident (wrong rose on an order from RVR) She turned out to be a blessing though. She does really well here.

I will have to go out today and see what other OGRs I have lol. I do have fortuniana own root that is very healthy but doesn't bloom alot. I have a ton of Austins and most do well.

I suspect that grafting on R. fortuniana means better vigor, health, and growth but maybe not so many blooms. My parents had all their roses on R. fortuniana and they never had that complete flower coverage that I see in a lot of California and Europe pictures. I'd like to try more own-root and Dr. Huey but I don't want early death, either!

I'm having great results this year with my 3 Abraham Darbys. The blooms are constant, big, full and very fragrant. No blackspot or other problems (knocking on wood).

I have three Abraham Darbys, too.

A great post, Cedemas! I'm taking notes for loved ones in FL. Carol

Cedemas, how are your roses doing ? I miss you :)))

There are plenty of Hybrid Teas that do well in Florida too.... Wonder why she left them off the list.... does she not sell them?

I've never ordered from them because they always seem to be out of stock on most of their roses no matter what time of year, I check the website.

I got a Mlle. Franziska Kruger from Rose Petals nursery last summer. It has flowered numerous times and has a bud developing right now even though its still a baby. The leaves have stayed green too in my no-spray garden. I think it will be great here.

Cedemas -- replying only 1.5 years after your post -- so sorry! The only roses I've ever found to flower less on 'Fortuniana' roots are some of the overly vigorous Austins, specifically in our gardens, Heritage and Graham Thomas. Both of those make humongous bushes with few flowers. But for most other roses, 'Fortuniana' produces more flowers than other root systems.

John Starnes is full of %#@* I grew roses in S.E. and Central FL for almost 40 years before moving to N.E. GA. I learned about Fortuniana grafted roses from a nursery in North Miami back in the early 1970's. As time went on, I learned more and my gardens flourished. Growing mostly HT's with a little bit of just about all class', I learned there were plenty of the "impossible" roses that did great in my gardens. The biggest conclusion I came to about growing great roses in Fl was, do I REALLY want to grow that variety or not. Just that simple. Now, there are a few varieties of roses that require a cold period in their bloom cycling to bloom correctly. Something that FL can't do. Also, pay attention to what Dr Manners has to say and does and how he does it. You will be happy.

I agree with you about MFK, Sultry; mine is only a year old but it’s already very graceful and super-healthy, in morning shade! Can’t wait to see how she does for us both. :-)

And yes, we miss you Cedemas! :-)

Just getting back to roses after a 10 year break. Belinda’s Dream from Roses Unlimited was covered in roses for most of the year. I did have to spray in July and August (9a). Outta the Blue did very well; great fragrance and bush form. Can’t remember a lot of Austen names, but had to spray most. Loved them,

The Prince was a great, and steady bloomer. Spectacular color and fragrance. Just thinking about them makes me anxious to start back!

The John Starnes list was a lovely group of roses. RIP.

I wish Sherry would come back and post from Florida. She is a great writer.

Malcom Manners.....

you say that the David Austin roses bloom less on fortuniana..... hmm..... do you put these on another root stock or do you leave the on own roots.... how do they do own root in Florida with the nematodes....

Thanks

Sharon

Sharon,

Note that Dr Manners said ‘some’ Austins not ’all’ of them. In my experience certain Austins bloom very heavily on Fort (Evelyn, Abe, Jude) while other become vegetative and spend all their energy on leaves rather than blooms (Gertrude, Ben Britten). It varies depending on which Austin.

Thanks BenT..... I was wondering how well the Austins actually do on own root here..... I have a non Austin Dark Desire that does great own root.... I was just wondering if the Austins fight of the nematodes too..... and if so how does he do it.... though he might be in a section of Florida that isn't as nematode prone....

Sharon, I'm not as nematode prone as you are but we do have them. I have an own root Tess of the d'urbervilles in the ground and its going gangbusters. It is also healthy and flowers alot. I think it just depends on which Austin, because some of mine are robust and some are divas.

Lilian Austin (Own Root) has been in a pot for several years BUT her roots are grown so far down into the ground, I cant pull up the pot -so she might as well be in the ground. She is very lovely and healthy.

All the potted Austins here, no matter what the root stock, will grow into the ground through pot holes and some will snake along a foot under the soil for 10ft or more. They are quite the water hogs. Since we get so much rain, they take full advantage lol.

I’m in the same area as Sultry, so fewer nematodes, and heavily amended soil.

I add a lot of OM, as my only real defense of the nematode attacks. More OM means more predatory organisms to reduce the number of root knot nematodes.

I don’t think the own-root roses can “fight off“ the nematodes. My understanding is that some varieties have more mass to their root systems, and can afford a little nematode nibble here and there. Others don’t have as many roots, so nematode attacks hit them harder. It also builds over years, so some will start off ok, but over time, without intervention, the nematode infestation will overcome the plant, and it dies.

The benefit of Fort, is the root mass. It makes so many roots, that it can handle a bit of loss to the nematodes. My own-root Lady of Shalot is doing very well, as is my Abe. I also have an Abe on Fort, and don’t see much difference at this point, except that the Fort needs more water. Both of these are young plants, only 2-4 years old, so we‘ll just have to see how they do long term.

I do recall a post some time ago about the breeding of Austins being a factor; some have better background to do well here than others. If he calls it a musk or tea, I’m more inclined to think it will do well here. Gallica or damask, not so much.

It‘s all one big experiment, really! I’m amazed at what will actually grow in my little microclimate...I’ve not shared any of these lists with any of my plants, and have no intention of doing so. :-)

Da Vanessa belle should be added as well

It's interesting to me that many of these roses that do well in Florida also did very well for me in northeastern San Diego County where my soil is very different (decomposed granite) and we have very low humidity compared to that state. Chinas, Teas, Noisettes, Bourbons and polyanthas were happy as clams in mud here

@ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County We graft our roses onto a native rootstock called "Fortuniana." It's the only way to keep the nematodes from killing them. I would imagine you don't have that problem in CA. Also, the humidity here makes roses a very high-maintenance plant, requiring weekly spraying to keep fungus away. San Diego is much drier, a Mediterranean as opposed to our Sub-tropical climate. I tried growing roses here. I just like easy plants, and they are difficult to say the least.

I believe roses in CA that have root stock are on Dr. Huey, and I have only three modern roses on that, the rest of mine are own-root, but as you say we don't have nematodes here. Since I won't spray fungicides or anything else I'm fortunate that it's dry here. Instead ground squirrels systematically ate all my roses from 2018 to 2020, so it seems that every garden has its own travails. The coyotes have thinned down the population considerably so I'm trying to have a garden again, although with some trepidation.

We graft our roses onto a native rootstock called "Fortuniana."

Rosa x fortuniana is from China. As are both its parental species.

Rosa × fortuniana - Trees and Shrubs Online

Yes, 'Fortuniana' was first used in Western Australia around the turn of the 20th century. It was in Florida and being offered by Glen St. Mary Nursery (near Jacksonville) by the early 1920s. But it really did not gain popularity here until Dr. Sam. McFadden, at the University of Florida, trialed it against other rootstocks in the early 1960s and published results in the Proceedings of the Florida State Horticultural Society.

Fortuniana grafted roses do very well for me in N FL. I have also noticed that my Fort grafted roses have less blackspot than my Doc Huey grafted. I have 2 Abe Darbys grafted on DH and 2 grafted on Fort. All get full sun and have adequate spacing around them. Soil is the same. The Fort Abe's bloom much more and they have less bs issues.

The only downfall on them, is the Fort likes to sucker under the graft line. I rip them off and they just do it again elsewhere lol. It doesn't really bother me but it might bother others.