Help with idenifying this pink striped Mystery rose from Rogue Valley
Brian
8 years ago
Hello,
I received this rose as one of my mystery roses from Rogue Valley this spring. It's one of my favorites now and has already rebloomed 3-4
times for me since I had received it in March. Does anyone know what it's name may be? When I get back home, I can try and take more close up photos of it.
Thanks,
Brian
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altorama Ray
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Rogue Valley Mystery rose - is this Fellemberg?
Comments (12)Thanks for chiming in and helping out with this! Mendocino Rose - I think the color in this picture captures what it looks like to my eye, but it's a first bloom and those can be notoriously variable from the eventual bloom of the plant. The bloom form is probably a better characteristic to judge, and if that doesn't match the ones you grow it's helpful to rule them out. Too bad Fellemberg and Alexander Girault don't look like a good match - I was looking forward to a monster pink OGR to put head-to-head against Madame Alfred Carriere (though what I'd do with three of them is another question). Nastarana - thanks for the feedback about Etude. Somehow the petals didn't look right, and the thornless canes have been a puzzle. One of the other mystery roses that I think is the same variety has mostly thornless canes with two normal-sized thorns at random locations but it doesn't look like the canes will grow into their thorns over time. It's just the variability of "mostly thornless" I suspect. I appreciate the help and any other suggestions folks may have! Cynthia...See MoreRogue Valley striped mystery rose - Papageno??
Comments (7)Thanks for all the help, folks! That's a good point that the striped roses tend to be variable in color and not to over judge the one bloom, particularly on a brand new band. I'm happy with any descendants of Ferdinand Pichard, Christopher, since I can't seem to keep the parent himself alive in my yard. So far, there seems to be consensus that Papageno is a good working name for this one. I actually like the prospect of these mystery roses, mgleason, since it could be literally anything in their catalog and it tends to stretch me to try roses I wouldn't normally buy. A few years ago, the mystery rose was "Rookie", a compact short flori/mini white rose, and it really has turned out to be a nice steady bloomer and great bloom form. I probably wouldn't have bought Robin Hood or Sophisticate (from two and three years ago) on their own, but they ramble nicely in the part shade, and they really make a statement in the neighbor's yard where they asked me to expand my shade area into their side of the yard. You're right that I might be able to ask Rogue Valley, though I find that their phone personnel are lovely people and helpful with orders, but they don't seem to know the details of the roses if they're not labeled. I don't know if Rogue Valley sends mystery plants because the labels have been lost or misplaced in propagation (hence they don't know any more than we do), or because they're overstocked. On my side, it would be more convenient to call these "our choice" rather than "mystery" roses and leave the tags in if it's the latter situation, but I don't mind the unknown for the first year. My only dilemma comes in where to plant something that hasn't bloomed and I have no clue what it is. The unknown mini from this year was easy to place, but I have a vaguely HT looking bush that I had to guess where to put, since I rarely if ever move roses once planted. Besides, I have all you lovely helpful folks to help me identify the roses each year! I challenge any rose company, except maybe Burlington and the dearly departed Vintage, to have the breadth of expertise in identifying a wide range of roses that we have here on GW! Cynthia...See MoreAnother Mystery striped rose - need ID
Comments (27)Thanks for the additional problem solving, Beth! I used to have Gypsy Fire from Eurodesert but it wasn't particularly hardy in my zone and has been long gone. As tough as this little plant has been for 4+ years I don't think I realized reading my notes that I can't guarantee this rose was a free RV rose however, since I don't remember what I planted there. I appreciate the advice to ask RV, but while I love their roses dearly I don't find that the folks answering the phones or emails are typically all that knowledgeable about the roses. This spring they sent me Ingrid Bergman (a dark red rose) instead of the Ingrid that I'd ordered (orange with yellow hilites Mander rose), and it took some discussion to convince them these weren't the same rose. They did give me the credit for the error, but I don't think distinguishing among possible striped roses would be likely from the staff I've encountered. Theoretically Ebharvey may be correct that this could be a seedling, but I've never had any other seedling grow in my yard in 10 or more years and 1000+ roses, so it would be odd if the only seedling I got was a nice striped one like this. Far more likely given the planting frenzy that happens in my yard in spring is that I planted this and forgot to label it some years ago. I remember trying to replace Gypsy Fire from someone but that was unsuccessful, and I wouldn't have put it in an out of the way place like this. I don't recall ever ordering JH Pierneef, but given your lovely photos I certainly would if the opportunity presented itself. I seem to recall the color being on the crimson side of red rather than orange tones, but the photo you see from back in (gasp) 2014 was the last bloom picture I have and the last bloom I remember seeing. Well, I suppose if it doesn't bloom I can call it Cynthia's Darling (or whatever I want) and no one will be able to contradict me. It's unobtrusive and stays tucked in some clematis most of the season so it stays by default. Still, it is a nagging little mystery that surprisingly after 3 years still isn't resolved. I'll keep a special eye out for it this season and see if I get any new blooms. Thanks as always for the problem solving! Cynthia...See MoreMarie Robert @ Rogue Valley
Comments (28)For what it's worth, I have grown de la Grifferaie (it came up as rootstock under a tree rose planted in the 1970s, and I liked the look of the leaves, so I waited the 3 years it took it to bloom) for 30+ years. All of the pics on HMF (of the "Portland") look like my dlG, including the blooms, buds, and leaves. I looked at the pic of the "polyantha" on RVR's website, and I was confused - they do not even say that it is a once or repeat bloomer, although I guess calling it a polyantha implies repeat blooming? dlG is definitely a once bloomer, even here in our warm climate where some otherwise once bloomers repeat a bit. So, perhaps RVR does have the correct Portland version of Marie Robert, especially if theirs is a repeat bloomer - their pic does not look as much like my dlG as the ones on HMF do. If I cared a lot, I would purchase the one RVR is selling, and plant it, and see if it is a repeat bloomer or not - easy. Jackie...See MoreBrian
8 years agoBrian
8 years agoBrian
8 years agoOne more test, what about this other pink mystery rose from Rogue Valley. Not my favorite, but I'll keep it for now. It repeats very often too.
altorama Ray
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8 years agolast modified: 8 years agoIt seems I haven't taken many pics of my 'Napoleon' -- probably because it's in an unfinished area. But, in any case, here they are.
As a newly-repotted band back in 2013.
One year later, ravaged by sawfly larvae.
Also last year, far left corner of this pic, which was taken more to show the coreopsis.
These two were taken this year, during the first flush in late May. Note that the petals are very light in the centers, darker at the outside. As the season progressed and the intensity of the sun increased, they turned darker pink and had something of the quilled form shown in your earlier pic. The difference with mine is that the stamens become clearly visible. This may be because my plant is in a south-facing full-sun spot, and perhaps your plant is being shaded until it fills out more.
Also note that there's very little sawfly larvae damage. It took a year for the pests to find the roses, and another year for the beneficials to find the pests. I haven't (yet) resorted to pesticides, so things sorted themselves out.
I didn't manage to capture the prickles very well, but in your pics, they look very much like what I find on my 'Napoleon'. They are stout, hooked, and numerous enough to catch you. And if you were wondering, mine came from Vintage Gardens.
:-)
~Christopher
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