'Ferdinand Pichard' isn't a thornless climber, so if that's how yours is growing, that alone rules it out. But don't go by "not enough white" since striped blooms are often very variable. Mine just recently had a bloom with very little white, being more red with some pink and some white. If you look through pics on HelpMeFind, you'll see how variable 'Ferdinand Pichard' can be.

And incidentally, I think all the striped roses you mentioned descend from 'Ferdinand Pichard', which Ralph Moore used to pass on stripes in his breeding (most other striped roses are sports and don't pass them on to seedlings). So if you don't guess the right one, chances are you'll still be in the right "family."

:-)

~Christopher

I'd vote Papageno from your list. The blooms and foliage are not right for Striped Rugosa. Kim

My Hurdy Gurdy has much smaller leaves than this...so I'm voted Papagano, too. Great character, lovely rose.

That and Hurdy Gurdy is a "miniature" where this image appears to be a full sized rose. Kim

I'd say Papageno also, but the lack of thorns is weird. Have you thought of calling and asking them what it could be? A mystery rose would send me over the cliff! I'd go crazy not knowing what it is.

Thanks for all the help, folks! That's a good point that the striped roses tend to be variable in color and not to over judge the one bloom, particularly on a brand new band. I'm happy with any descendants of Ferdinand Pichard, Christopher, since I can't seem to keep the parent himself alive in my yard.

So far, there seems to be consensus that Papageno is a good working name for this one. I actually like the prospect of these mystery roses, mgleason, since it could be literally anything in their catalog and it tends to stretch me to try roses I wouldn't normally buy. A few years ago, the mystery rose was "Rookie", a compact short flori/mini white rose, and it really has turned out to be a nice steady bloomer and great bloom form. I probably wouldn't have bought Robin Hood or Sophisticate (from two and three years ago) on their own, but they ramble nicely in the part shade, and they really make a statement in the neighbor's yard where they asked me to expand my shade area into their side of the yard.

You're right that I might be able to ask Rogue Valley, though I find that their phone personnel are lovely people and helpful with orders, but they don't seem to know the details of the roses if they're not labeled. I don't know if Rogue Valley sends mystery plants because the labels have been lost or misplaced in propagation (hence they don't know any more than we do), or because they're overstocked. On my side, it would be more convenient to call these "our choice" rather than "mystery" roses and leave the tags in if it's the latter situation, but I don't mind the unknown for the first year. My only dilemma comes in where to plant something that hasn't bloomed and I have no clue what it is. The unknown mini from this year was easy to place, but I have a vaguely HT looking bush that I had to guess where to put, since I rarely if ever move roses once planted.

Besides, I have all you lovely helpful folks to help me identify the roses each year! I challenge any rose company, except maybe Burlington and the dearly departed Vintage, to have the breadth of expertise in identifying a wide range of roses that we have here on GW!

Cynthia

It looks like PAPAGENO to me too. I'd have to go check and see how many thorns mine has. I don't recall it having very many tho.