Hi folks Thanks for your collective problem solving so far! Paul, I appreciate the definitive word about RWR, and I'm looking forward to starting a thread of "I love Barden Roses" as soon as my plants get big enough to show the impressive blooms and hardiness they clearly have the potential to do. Your roses have at least 90% healthy survival in my yard, which tops even my favorite Delbard, Kordes, and Buck roses. Keep up the good work! As for the RV mystery, we're still not sure, but as KSGreenman and I have the same rose and I have 4 more of them, I'm inclined to think it's something they are marketing. I don't think they'd produce that many bands to distribute of something they're testing. Catsrose, the color in my photo is pretty true to what it looks like in my yard, that "red" i.e. hot pink edge with a high contrast center, so it's closest to how you describe your Robin Hood (thanks for the contrasting info on all 3). On HMF, there are variations of all these candidate roses so the RV site photo may not look exactly like our plants, but I'm still leaning toward Robin Hood unless I am convinced otherwise. Other opinions are welcome! Cynthia

Thanks for all the help, folks! That's a good point that the striped roses tend to be variable in color and not to over judge the one bloom, particularly on a brand new band. I'm happy with any descendants of Ferdinand Pichard, Christopher, since I can't seem to keep the parent himself alive in my yard. So far, there seems to be consensus that Papageno is a good working name for this one. I actually like the prospect of these mystery roses, mgleason, since it could be literally anything in their catalog and it tends to stretch me to try roses I wouldn't normally buy. A few years ago, the mystery rose was "Rookie", a compact short flori/mini white rose, and it really has turned out to be a nice steady bloomer and great bloom form. I probably wouldn't have bought Robin Hood or Sophisticate (from two and three years ago) on their own, but they ramble nicely in the part shade, and they really make a statement in the neighbor's yard where they asked me to expand my shade area into their side of the yard. You're right that I might be able to ask Rogue Valley, though I find that their phone personnel are lovely people and helpful with orders, but they don't seem to know the details of the roses if they're not labeled. I don't know if Rogue Valley sends mystery plants because the labels have been lost or misplaced in propagation (hence they don't know any more than we do), or because they're overstocked. On my side, it would be more convenient to call these "our choice" rather than "mystery" roses and leave the tags in if it's the latter situation, but I don't mind the unknown for the first year. My only dilemma comes in where to plant something that hasn't bloomed and I have no clue what it is. The unknown mini from this year was easy to place, but I have a vaguely HT looking bush that I had to guess where to put, since I rarely if ever move roses once planted. Besides, I have all you lovely helpful folks to help me identify the roses each year! I challenge any rose company, except maybe Burlington and the dearly departed Vintage, to have the breadth of expertise in identifying a wide range of roses that we have here on GW! Cynthia

Tammy, send the photos to Janet at RVR - I asked her if she would look at my mystery roses and try to ID them and she said she would be happy to. I have 4 that I am going to photo and send to her when they bloom. Bet she will know exactly what they are. Good luck!

Wow! Your blooms look more like June than August they are so fresh and crisp. Bull's Eye is really striking--I like it. I'm glad you got Ascot, and I'll bet I'm the one that recommended it to you. I've been praising it all over the Forum. Thanks for posting your photos. Diane