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Mystery Rose from Rogue Valley Roses

last year

So I ordered the Paul Barden rose, ‘Joyce Barden‘ from Rogue Valley Roses and was sent the wrong one (Paul has confirmed this). I reached out to them but have not heard back yet. It’s a lovely rose, however, and pretty distinctive. Does anybody recognize it? I can say that it has a wonderful sweet, tea fragrance even as a young plant. It’s virtually thornless. The leaves have a coarser texture than most roses, and it seems to bloom in sprays. I’d love to keep it, but I would prefer to know where to site it. The young growth is arching, but it may change—I’ve only had it a few months. Any ideas???

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last year

@Meg-zone8aOR That is definitely NOT 'Joyce Barden'.

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mmmm12COzone5
last year
No idea what it is, but it is very pretty!
Meg-zone8aOR
last year
I don't know what your mystery rose is, but I am following this with keen interest because the "Joyce Barden" I ordered from RVR was just delivered today. I hope I got the right rose but I guess time will tell. At least the mystery rose they sent you is really lovely!
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If there are any scents to the plant parts to be perceived, Jay, they will be most discernable early morning when it's just warming up and there is plenty of humidity remaining in the air. About the same time you would expect the flowers to be their most fragrant is when you should be able to notice any scents the growing and flowering parts may have. Choose the most tender, succulent new growth; sepals and peduncles; rub them gently and smell both your fingers as well as the plant parts. If there is any scented oil to be released, that should help you smell it. Some roses are intensely scented. Many others have little to absolutely none. Kim
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Well, as a little update, I think I figured out what my NOT 'Mme Platz' actually is. The blooms opened white, and looked a lot like those on the baby 'Mme Hardy' I got for the cemetery. But the rest of the plant was totally different. I checked alphabetically, and I'm almost certain that what I got is 'Mme Plantier'. And that's a good thing, because I was considering it for the cemetery, anyway, but didn't order it. So one less for me, one more for them. I'm not contacting RVR about a replacement, since the error is something I'd have wanted, anyway. On a related note, the second error from RVR arrived with the tag 'Duchesse de Rohan', but the plant looked a bit odd, being rather stiffly upright and showing China-influenced-but-still-OGR foliage. Then it sent forth flower buds, which began a deep dark purple-tinged red, opening "old rose red". Looking through the alphabetical list again, I think it's 'Duchesse d'Ossuna', which was another I was eyeing but didn't actually order. So, again, since the error turned out in my favor, I'm keeping it, and will re-order the other eventually without mentioning the mix-up. :-) ~Christopher
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Jane - thanks for the tip about Therese Bugnet. Mine bloomed for the first time this year, and they look a good bit different from mystery #3. I checked and to my surprise, the canes are pretty smooth throughout the length, which I'd never noticed before. Here's a sample Therese bloom - she is nicely fragrant but she seems too double to be #3 and too dark pink to be #1, not to mention that little stripe on the petals: I do have an additional photo of pink rose #2, which is my biggest puzzle. It is looking very double with Austin-like clustering and cupping of petals. Sorry the picture is a bit blurred, but you can see how double it is, and it's more of a carnation pink than the hot pink of the others. It's looking like a dead ringer for Blessed Child if it had more fragrance, though Emmanuela de Mouchy is a possible one though it looks a little darker pink especially on the reverse, and it's supposed to be fragrant too. If it is an Austin, Geoff Hamilton is a definite possibility, but it's supposed to be thornless and this is the one with thorns. If it had more fragrance, I could go with Mme. Ernest Calvat, but this mystery one is pretty dead to my nose. Radio Times would also be an option, if it had more fragrance. So my best guesses would all be fragrant or thornless from the Rogue Valley roses so far, and that doesn't yet fit this rose. Of course, I might not be able to smell the fragrance, but I'm usually pretty good with Austins and Hybrid Perpetuals and Bourbons. I think my working guess is Blessed Child with fragrance I can't detect, but I'd welcome other ideas! Cynthia
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dianela7analabama
last year
Sorry I don’t know but it is gorgeous. Hopping someone knows.
PDXRobertZ8
Original Author
last year
Oh @Meg-zone8aOR please keep me posted! I saw a post on Instagram from a user who just got it. Hers looks like mine so I don't think it's Joyce Barden either. It's still a beauty, but I'd like to know its name, and I'd still like to get JB too! :)
hugogurll
last year
It may be Sui Mei Ran. Do they offer it?
PDXRobertZ8
Original Author
last year
Oh that's very similar, indeed @hugogurll It doesn't look like they carry it, but A Reverence For Roses does carry it, and all of my purchases from them have been dynamite. Gorgeous, strong plants for a great price.
PDXRobertZ8
Original Author
last year
Ohhhhhh I may have found it. It could be Ginger Syllabub. RVR carries the rose (says it's not in stock), and after a glance at HMF, boy oh boy do the flowers and buds look like mine. Thoughts? @hugogurll @dianela7analabama @Meg-zone8aOR
Meg-zone8aOR
last year
It really does look like the photos of Ginger Syllabub, which is funny because that's one that has been on my wish list. Maybe someone who grows Ginger will chime in, but I think that's a good guess. I was thinking it also looks like Barden's October Moon but I figured he would have identified it for you if that's what it is.
Meg-zone8aOR
last year
Mine has one little bloom on it, I'll post pictures when it opens up
PDXRobertZ8
Original Author
last year
The foliage sure matches mine here @Meg-zone8aOR
Meg-zone8aOR
last year
@PDXRobertZ8

My little bud of (possibly) Joyce Barden finally opened. What do you think?
Meg-zone8aOR
last year
PDXRobertZ8
Original Author
last year
Hi @Meg-zone8aOR yours is certainly yellower than mine, but I am still not sure.
PDXRobertZ8
Original Author
last year
This is a huge disappointment regarding RVR. Huge.
Meg-zone8aOR
last year
Thanks for the ID, Paul. That's disappointing. Do any other nurseries carry Joyce Barden? I was able to get Jeri Jennings at Burlington, but I'm not sure if she carries Joyce Barden.
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last year
@Meg-zone8aOR Very disappointing. I don't know of anyone else who offers 'Joyce Barden' anymore. There used to be other nurseries that sold it, but I'm guessing they got their plant from RVR and found it was incorrect, so they pulled it from their catalog. I know this has happened with 'Marianne', so...

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