DON'T THROW THEM OUT YET!!! Is the only problem is that they were potentially low acid and everything else is okay? (SOMEONE PLEASE CORRECT ME OR CONFIRM THAT WHAT I WRITE NEXT IS CORRECT.) I think the only risk is THEORETICAL botulism. Mould etc. shouldn't be a problem in properly canned tomatoes even without the acidifier. (?) In the unlikely case that you do have botulism, isn't it denatured by boiling the product for at least 20 minutes? (PLEASE CONFIRM.) If that's the case, then just label the tomatoes for your own use, do not give them away, do not taste the raw product, and cook for at least 20 minutes. When I crack open my canned tomatoes, I cook them that long anyway to make a tomato sauce. Also remember that the acidification is because tomatoes are borderline acidity. Hopefully someone else can answer whether the acidity of the ascorbic is sufficient.

No real experience, but from the many post about the moya and atemoya plant, is that they can be used to cross pollinate each other(after all atemoya is a sugar apple x cherimoyaa hybrid). The resulting fruits will not change, but if you plant the seeds from that cross pollinated fruits seeds, it will not be either a moya or atemoya. But, might look more on the moya side, since your back cross pollinating with a parent plant. That's why atemoya seeds are only planted for fun or rootstock purpose, but moya is usually used for rootstock, due to their better cold and wet feet tolerance. And like most hybrid fruits, atemoya seeds will not come true to be a sugar apple or cherimoya.

"people in power haven't tried to keep cures for diseases from getting out in the open you are truly naïve" Seriously? Are you a conspiracy person? Who are these people in power conspiring to keep people ill? -- "You don't think it's odd that all this money has been raised to find all these cures but none have been found?" That's how science works. If people knew where to look, knowledge would be much easier to obtain. You may not appreciate that the fact that nothing is found with a particular investigation doesn't mean nothing will be found, simply that where or how they were investigating wasn't fruitful. Work goes on. -- "Going to doctors but staying sick?" Doctors are in on the conspiracy with people in power too, they want to keep their patients ill intentionally? Yeah? -- "Medicine is all trial and error" Yes, this is true, it's true of much of scientific research in general too. Can you suggest a better approach? Smarter people than you and me and the world of science in general have settled on an approach to expand knowledge. Why do you accept unproven approaches that AREN'T tested or subject to trial and error? Do you think that's smarter or a more valid approach? -- "And all of those trials you speak of have no affect on me because I don't go to the dr." That's your choice. Do you think it's a thoughtful one? Do you have medical insurance and choose not to use it, or do you not have coverage? I've known some people over the years who've scoffed at conventional medicine as you do and turn to alternatives BECAUSE they couldn't afford health insurance. For several, it was a short sighted decision because they needed care and had to scramble to get coverage. I hope you don't have kids whose wellbeing you're risking because of your extreme views. -- "If I get sick I take my natural remedies and feel better in no time. " Sure you do. Just hope you never have anything seriously wrong with you, it will strain your faith beliefs. -- "Just because you don't agree with something it doesn't make it wrong" True. -- "And I'm pretty sure tests have also been run on these other remedies. You'll never hear about them if they actually accomplish something though." Don't be so sure, that's the greatest beef about so-called "alternative medicine". Lack of testing and lack of proof. If something is proven to be effective, the researchers rush to publish papers and everyone knows about it pronto. Ever hear of PubMed? It's an NIH-run online catalog of ALL biomedical research that's published. Should a piece be missed in a periodical, researchers doing catalog references will come upon any findings that are new or different concerning an area of interest they have. There are no secrets. In fact, researchers rush to find areas others haven't investigated because being first is a way to become better known. In the alternative medicine area, it's mostly crickets. Religions are a belief based environment, science is not. Wishing doesn't make it so. -- "Drug companies can't patent natural things. " Sure they can. -- In the absence of proof, a suggestion or a hypothesis is described as lacking proof or being unsupported by evidence. That means it's false/invalid/doesn't exist. It's not the negative, "it hasn't been disproven". That argument is illogical and isn't valid for science. Or medicine. You're very misinformed. Sorry.

Glad I found this article as I think I can really help as I have the exact opposite problems, severe Gulf Coast Sand. 1st, you get enough light, dappled light deep in the south is good. Direct sunlight down here just fries stuff. The problems your having are drainage related. Vine ripening vegtables "think tomatoe is more of a semi perinneal vegtable myself more so than a fruit", have a harder time without the light. You have that white swamp clay but it is usually VERY nutrient dense. Usually you need to figure out how to make that soluable to plants. How deep have you dug? I am guessing that 2 1/2 foot down you have a hardpan of clay, so the water doesn't really run off but its more like a swimming pool and that is likely 99% of your problem, but again its just a theoretical guess without being able to dig. The use of double wide "plantings back up to each other and a slightly wider path" traditional rows is every bit as effective as the new raised bed craze. I've done every kind of bed you can think of, I have reversed double wide rows where you plant on the low point to retain moisture because of wind/sandy soil. You should consider planting water loving vegtables and could probably really excel at winter vegtables like purple top, radishes, brussel sprouts, cabbage, lettuce, onion, leeks, etc. You would have a hard time with carrots, garlic, deep roots and or meteraniean climate. I also want to say what have you tried to grow. Tomatoes should never be the standard of a garden in the south. Ex I grow some tomatoes and they do well minus our infestations of hornworms "when they come its not worth the fight, but I let them eat "kill them manually", then what I did this week right before August is cut the tomatoe down to the base rather than pull because of the root structure. I've already gotten spring tomatoes but the tomatoes are already about 2 foot after looking like crap the last two months. I would rather have your soil than mine to boot, yes you heard that correctly. I might as well be in Arizona with salt spray off the Gulf. So you adapt, palms, kale, radishes, turnips, cover crops, sugarcane, peppers, lemongrass, in areas where I get bay salinity flooding. Yous should think of the oppostie, what needs H20. DON"T ADD SAND, you would likely make concrete, in fact if your thinking about that, try a very small spot like 2x2 first. ALWAYS do that when considering extreme measures. Mulch won't help you much because it will just keep stuff cool/damp/wet. I almost NEVER say that. I would try pontomac and a couple other Potatoe varities but I have NO doubt you would EXCEL at growing sweet potatoes because you can root the shoots in water. They grow in straight water like 10x faster than in ground. You seem to be on the right track of trying to get things many gardeners recommend like "just add compost bull and everything is okay". You don't likely need much fertilizer as clay soils tend to pack a lot". I would like to finish with use nature against nature. Change your thinking a little bit from the traditional corn and tomatoe, and think why not take advantage of the nutrients and saturated soil to have a semi hydroponic garden in your backyard. There is a guy on ebay right now selling purple sweet potatoe slips, you can get white, beaureguard, etc. and try out jerusalem artichoke. Again I think you might excel with potatoes and they may suck up some of that h20. we plant them alongside ponds in the country for fdeer plots and for us. Best of luck.