The 10 roses I miss the most.......warning: pictures!

15 years ago

Hi everyone,

I was going to post this over on the gallery but it seems to be a ghost town of late.

In the midst of yet another snowstorm today I was longing for my beloved old roses, and it got me to thinking about which of them I miss the most. For me here in zone 4, I won't see the first roses blooming until the second week of June for the very earliest roses (rugosas, spinosissimas) and not till the 3rd week for the others to start. That still seems like an eternity away.

Over the years, I have often been asked which old roses are my favorites and I can usually name the top ten with no problem, but after that it becomes "ALL of them". I really love them all....they are my rose children....and it seems unfair to select favorites. But sometimes its kind of fun to ponder which roses we love the most and why.

I did not include any of my 'found' roses, because they are perhaps the dearest to my heart and totally irreplaceable. I have so many beautiful old roses whose identities are unknown, and yet they are priceless to me.

I couldn't even begin to pick favorites there, save for one that I call "Pompom" which is the sweetest, cutest little rose I have ever known. Florence knows the one I am referring to!

(I apologize to anyone who has dial-up if this post is

heavy on photos.....)

I would love to hear what roses you all grow that are the top roses in YOUR heart.

Blessings to all,

Celeste

CHARLES DE MILLS (GALLICA).....

Charles is Number 1 in my heart because when I first started researching Old Roses I couldn't get past the photo of Charles de Mills. I would stare at that picture in awe and astonishment, not truly believing that any rose could have that form, that color, that many swirling petals. And even though the years have passed and I have gone on to obtain & love many, many roses....Charles remains Number One. He was my first love.

I have 3 bushes (which is unheard of for me, because of lack of space and wanting so many different roses) and I anticipate those fat, round buds opening in late June like a kid at Christmas. He still mesmerizes me after all these years. Charles has my heart, forever.

FELICITE PARMENTIER (ALBA)....

It wasn't hard to pick my Number Two rose, especially since her soft, sweet fragrance is unforgettable. This is the rose I stick my nose into most often, and whose demure beauty keeps me praising God that He loved us so much He created roses. This is THE ultimate old rose. Her perfume which intoxicates, her dream-like beauty, her excellent winter-hardiness and lovely foliage....she is perfection itself. I recall sniffing deeply into the last bloom of the season last early July, knowing that I would have to wait another long year to know the pleasure again....and even though the wait is excruciating....SHE is so worth it.

GREAT MAIDEN'S BLUSH (ALBA).....

Yet another Alba, and another unforgettable fragrance! She is the softest blush pink, just as her name suggests (and even her name is alluring!). Sometimes I feel compelled to touch her petals, almost to caress them, they are so delicate and lovely. She has a fragrance that is never over-powering, just that pure, angelic Alba sweetness with a touch of baby powder. She conjures up images of cherubs and fluffy clouds leading to heaven....she is the angel of the rose kingdom.

TUSCANY SUPERB (GALLICA).....

In my soil, Tuscany Superb is always deep, royal purple. He reminds me of a King, stately and regal in his robe.

My plant of it is immense and festoons itself for weeks with the grandest, deepest, darkest blooms imaginable. I am totally smitten with this rose and it is one of my most photographed.

I had no dilemna choosing this rose as my Number 3 favorite. This rose is KING!

NESTOR (GALLICA).....

Those Gallicas & Albas reign supreme in my garden! It certainly helps that they are my hardiest and lowest maintenance, but there's something magical about them that makes them my favorites. I grow MANY and it was hard to choose but a few. Nestor was new to me last year, yet already look at where he stands! For me here, he is consistently a soft shade of lavender-purple with a wonderful form and shape. It was LOVE at first sight!

I predict a long and lasting relationship.

ROSA MUNDI (GALLICA).....

Here we go again with another Gallica! But this one is something extraordinary, even if one doesn't quite fancy gallicas in general. Those stripes are hypnotic and single petals never looked so striking! All that jazz, plus rich history too.

BELLE AMOUR (probably ALBA)......

There is something about this rose that speaks to my heart.

It came to live in my rose paradise by accident. My DH had ordered 4 of the Alba "Celeste" (my name) as a gift to me, which is what got me into growing old roses. Because they were bareroot, they didn't bloom until year three, which is when I found out they were mislabled and were "Belle Amour" instead. At first, it was a little disappointing that they weren't my namesake rose, but they won me over with their charm, grace and tough constitution.

They have a shell-like beauty to their petals and when the sun shines through them their beauty is astounding. Their scent is strong and spicy; some refer to it as myrrh-like, but I enjoy it.

CENTIFOLIA VARIEGATA.....(centifolia)

This rose and I have a relationship not unlike the relationship I have with my teenage daughter. On the one hand, this rose is so beautiful and charming that I have to catch my breath sometimes.....and on the other hand, thorns so vicious that one false move and I could be torn to shreds. She is by far my thorniest rose and when winds whip her long, arching canes of torture about she seems to delight in the bloody scratches she causes. But on quieter days, when the wind is calm and I tread carefully, she evokes such amazement in me....that something so tough in one respect can be so gentle in its beauty.

Her striping is soft and demure, not at all flashy or bold. She commands attention because of her supreme loveliness, and it is that beauty that makes me love her, thorns and all.

JENNY DUVAL (GALLICA).....

This rose reminds me of a sumptuous patchwork quilt. There are patches of many shades and tones of purples and mauves in each bloom, and the effect is quite charming.

She came to me through a trade and I am delighted to have

her in my garden. Jenny livens up the garden and keeps my "guy" Gallicas, Charles and Nestor, happy.

YOLANDE D' ARAGON.....

Last but not least, there is Yolande....a stately rose with a drop-dead gorgeous presence and fragrance. Her perfume is unforgettable, strong and pure old rose. There were so many other roses I would like to add to this list which are just as wonderful in their own way, but Yolande always calls to me from across the lawn, beckoning me with the promise of sweet heaven in every inhale. I can never

get past her section of the garden without visiting her, again and again. This is a rose that commands attention.

HONORABLE MENTION.....

CELESTE (ALBA)

Of course....I can't leave MY rose off my list! But to put her first would seem too arrogant of me since we share the same name, same tall stature, same cold-hardiness, same low-maintenance attitude. We even share the same month....she blooms on my birthday! And she is pink, my favorite color....but no ordinary pink. Her pink is luminous, glowing, and ethereal....celestial. A rose aptly named! Her fragrance and her beauty are nothing short of heavenly.

To all my beloved roses whose names I didn't mention.....

you are all beautiful in my eyes!

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melva
15 years ago
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Nice, very nice..you have a wonderful use of words....
My top 10...
Different OGR's here in my climate...I have tried albas and they burned up...what a shame, because I adore 'Amelia'.
So I have a lot of noisettes.
All of my roses make my heart sing..(some more than others)
Champney's Pink Cluster the fragrance is intoxicating...
Charles D. Mills for all that Celeste said about this rose. ditto for me.
Therese Bugnet the spicy scent of the flowers..I love this rose!
Perle des Jardins I have a love/hate thing, with this rose...if it is too damp, the blooms ball, and refuse to open..but every once in a while, all the planets are in alignment, and there will be a perfect flower...the color an egg yellow..and the scent, which often eludes me..this time the fragrance is strong and clear.
Variegata di Bologna..at the risk of being redundant I will say I love this rose!
Conrad Ferdinand Myer
Secret Garden Noisette
The Charlestonian
Bouquet tout Fait
Banshee another one that the flowers will not open if it is too damp/wet but when they do, the fragrance and the beautiful flower, is well worth the wait.
User
15 years ago
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Oh, my Celeste -
That picture of Charles de Mills is absolutely sumptuous! I want it I want it I want it! I'm in Z10a sw. FL, and I don't think that Gallicas will grow here. I'm gonna find out, fer sure tho.

thanks for the lovely post,
Avalon
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cincy_city_garden
15 years ago
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Wonderful post Celeste! Great pictures and poetic descriptions. I think you should be required to post one of these per week ;)

I especially love the picture of Felicite Parmentier. Mine is a baby and coming into it's 2nd year and I can't wait for it to get bigger. It gave me two perfect blossoms last year.

Eric
artemis_pa
15 years ago
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Celeste, thank you for such a wonderful post. Your words capture what I also feel about my roses. Many times I hear one calling me from across the yard. I so miss them.
melissa_thefarm
15 years ago
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Celeste,

Thanks for the lovely post! I enjoy how you write about your roses, and your fine photos: it's good of you to share your pleasure in your roses with us.

I can't rank my roses, my mind doesn't seem to work that way: they're all beautiful in some way and at some time, and that's what counts (it's also why I'd be doomed if I ever had to make choices for a small garden). I love them all.

Melissa
harryshoe zone6 eastern Pennsylvania
15 years ago
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Thanks Celeste.

This time of year I really need some good rose pics.
jumbojimmy
15 years ago
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Hi Celeste,

I will be ordering Charles de Mill - thanks to you. I hope it has a nice fragrance.
texaslynn
15 years ago
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Beautiful pictures! Is there such a thing as Alba Envy? I suppose it's human nature to want what you can't have......there are many, many roses that will grow here (and I have bunches of them) but this year I really fell in love with OGR's, particularly Gallica's. Since I apparently have more money than sense, I decided to "zone push" and try a few: Rosa Mundi, Charles de Mill, Cardinal de Richelieu, Hippolyte and La Belle Sultane. More than likely, I've probably sentenced these poor plants to a lingering (hot) death but I can't help myself - I have to give them a try!
carla17
15 years ago
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Celeste, I so enjoy your pictures, they are all inspiring. How I would love to see your roses in person, what an incredible collection of beauties you have.

Carla
greybird
15 years ago
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Celeste, your post is inspiring...
Your pictures are breathtaking, yet it is your profound personification and descriptions of your beloved that I will remember. I will mull them over throughout the day.

Thank you.
Krista_5NY
15 years ago
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I miss the roses in winter. Wonderful pics and reminiscences of the roses. Thanks for sharing.
mendocino_rose
15 years ago
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This is a lovely post Celeste. I really appreciate that you took the time to share this with us.
stanly
15 years ago
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So here I am, sipping my coffee, looking out my office window at the -30C day and reading about your roses. Thanks for the pictures Celeste. I will never have those roses here because of the cold winters but one of my favorites is Rose de L'Hay which flowers all year and has a wonderful fragrance. I'll be visiting friends in British Columbia this summer and they have hundreds of roses so am looking forward to seeing and smelling the garden. Stan
zeffyrose
15 years ago
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Dear Celeste---another gorgeous post----Your gardens are inspiring.
When are you going to write a book with your photos and descriptions---

I'm drooling over your roses--

Hope your Mom is OK and your daughter is coming to her senses--( I can sympathize with this problem.)

Take care and know how much your posts mean to all of us.
fondly, Florence
blendguy
15 years ago
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Hi Celeste,

Thank you for posting these photographs, they are lovely and have brought great joy to my day.

robert
organicgardendreams
15 years ago
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Celeste, thank you so much for making the effort to write this wonderful post. It gave me a lot of pleasure!
Your love for roses shines through every line and photo and is quite inspiring and contagious! I admire your ability to write so poetic and lovely about them.

My favorite old roses are Zepherine Drouhin and Rose de Rescht.
To me the flowers of Zepherine Drouhin have a simple, clear, and toughing beauty and I love her fresh, fruity sent. Rose de Rescht on the other hand is much more playful and cute with her pompom like flowers, which tease you sometimes with a button eye, but in contrast to that her scent is powerful, warm, and heavy to me.

Your photo of Yolande D'Aragon makes me really want to try her. Do you think this rose would grow well for me here in zone 10, CA?
sergeantcuff
15 years ago
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I, too, enjoyed your wonderful post. Thank you.
erasmus_gw
15 years ago
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Very nice descriptions and your pics are always beautiful. Makes me glad I have a Charles de MIlls and that it is getting some size to it ANd that I'll see my first bloom of it this spring I hope. Nestor really looks very lovely.

I especially like how you compare a teenage daughter to a rose with it's thorns. Daughters can certainly wound us though we appreciate them more than almost anyone.

Thank you for your list too , Melva. I am most interested in which OGR's do well for you in the heat. Especially Var. di Bologna.
Linda
gnabonnand
15 years ago
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Celeste, your top 10 roses are cream of the crop ... beautiful classics!

Since you asked, my top 10 are:
Reine des Violettes
Mrs Dudley Cross
Nur Mahal
Marie Daly / Marie Pavie
Pink Gruss an Aachen
Gruss an Aachen
Basye's Blueberry
Heritage
Pretty Jessica
Valentine

Randy
jeanz5il
15 years ago
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Celeste, Thanks for the post. How big does FELICITE PARMENTIER
get? If I had to pick a once bloomer is she worth her reign in a small garden? I have a HP called Larry Daniels that I was thinking of replacing, hmm... Her blooms from pictures I have seen, really epitomize a decadent once bloomer must have?
Great pictures!
nastarana
15 years ago
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How wonderful to have an alba, the queen of roses, your own namesake, in bloom on your birthday!
bellegallica
15 years ago
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I sense a wonderful story behind the rose called "Pompom."

Pictures of the old European once-bloomers were what pulled me over to the OGR's as well--particularly Rose de Rescht and Belle Isis. Then I found out I couldn't grow these.

Your pictures sure do give me zone envy all over again.

Lately I've been reading the articles at Paul Barden's about the history of the Hybrid Perpetuals and other work done by the hybridizers of the 19th century. Brent Dickerson suggests there were three reasons they were anxious to cross the Asian roses with the European:
1. Curiosity
2. To give hardiness to the Teas and Chinas
3. To bring repeat bloom to the European ones.

Your pictures make me think the last was their main goal. Who wouldn't want roses like these blooming year round?
bgrose
15 years ago
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Every rose is beautiful in its own way, there are no bad roses or ugly ones, all are special and should be appreciated for the emotions and the senses they bring to us with their fragrance, and their look and the memories...You have picked a difficult task to classify your favourite roses - I do not list the roses into favourite and unfavourite ones but to really answer your question - the rose I treasure most is the rose, one single rose given to me by a man who loved me. I kept it until it turned to dust...very sad indeed, but I remember it in my heart and treasure it and there it will never die. One single rose means more than the biggest material treasure. The rose I got 5 years ago was the one I miss the most.
patricianat
15 years ago
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Beautiful roses and great photography. It gives me chill weather envy. Which roses I miss....all of them, but not the work. The page has turned for me in the winter of my life and roses are a sweet memory.
celeste/NH
Original Author
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Hi everyone!
I wanted to tell all of you THANK YOU for reading my post and letting me know that you enjoyed it. My passion and appreciation of roses is enhanced by sharing it with others. It always brings me great pleasure to hear all of your thoughts as well. I always love your feedback and even though it would take too long to respond individually to each of you, I read each & every one and enjoyed your input.

I am going to post more of the other roses I love & miss, since I felt bad leaving some of the others out...and Eric kind of encouraged me...lol. I hope you all enjoy that post as well.

To answer a few questions posed to me:

jumbojimmy....Reports of Charles de Mills fragrance vary.
I have read that it has no fragrance, mild fragrance, and lots of fragrance....I have no fewer than 50 rose books and none of them can agree on whether Charles is fragrant or not! When I visited the Montreal Botanical Garden I could not detect fragrance on their Charles de Mills. However, my Charles is VERY fragrant. I guess all noses pick up scents differently and maybe it even varies according to soil, temps., etc... I guess you will have to find out for yourself if he is or isn't!

organicgardendreams....I can't vouch for whether Yolande would do well in CA....hopefully the many posters from there will help you out w/ your question. She certainly doesn't need the cold to bloom, like the Albas & Gallicas so I would think she would do splendid in warmer climates unless certain diseases might be an issue.

Jean....Felicite will get fairly big, but not usually as huge as her Alba sisters. Albas do need space; they are not small bushes. But you can prune her a little to keep her in bounds. Somewhere in the 4-5 foot tall range. Some Albas can top 7 feet and my Belle Amours have shot up to over 8 feet! Here in zone 4 there really aren't any roses that are as impressive in size as the Albas. Next to our puny hybrid teas that die back every year, the Albas look like Jolly Green Giants! Thats another reason why I love them.
She really IS worth it to have in your garden even if she is your only once-bloomer. She will be done blooming by the time the Japanese Beetles start up and she stays quite healthy the rest of the summer so you won't have to fuss with her. And that fragrance will win you over. She is such a beautiful, feminine rose that I couldn't imagine not enjoying the pleasure of her, even if only once a year.
Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter.... only come once a year, but we still look forward to them, right?

Thanks again, rose friends!

Celeste

Charles de Mills, my blooming machine....

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AnneCecilia z5 MI
15 years ago
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Celeste, what a beautiful piece you have posted for us all. I enjoyed not only your marvelous photography (which made me resolve to do better at capturing the spirit of each and every one of my spring bloomers this year!) but your paragraph on each rose was delightful - and true enabling at its best. Fortunately for my pocketbook, I have many of your selected roses already, LOL!
I am usually sad in early autumn that the roses in their peak of growth are going to sleep, but I don't really miss them through most of the winter - until now. Right before spring arrives my longing for them awakes and I think, dream and plan roses. As so many posters above have said, rating my roses into some type of top 10 seems an impossible task, but let me say that if the rose is highly fragrant, it has a higher place in line for me. Right now I am inhaling the scent from two blooms cut from my potted Francis Dubreuil which has wintered under lights in my basement. It makes the wait until I can be out in the garden again enjoying the company of Alain Blanchard, Leda, Belle de Crecy, Comte de Chambord, Gertrude Jekyll and so many others a bit easier to bear...as do GW posts like yours. Thank you!

Anne
organicgardendreams
15 years ago
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Celeste, thank you for answering my question regarding Yolande d'Aragon. If you say she doesn't need the cold to bloom that gives me hope, that I can grow her here, too. But you are right it makes sense to ask people from CA. I will do an extra post to ask that question.

I just want to let you know that with a previous post you have already enabled me to get Pretty Jessica. I got her as a band this year and can't wait to see her blooming! It looks like you did again with Yolande! If enabler is a job, you do a pretty good one!

Looking forward to your next posts!
celeste/NH
Original Author
15 years ago
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Anne....That's pretty impressive that you are growing roses under the lights.....I have a miniature Kordana rose that my son & his wife gave me for Valentine's Day in my window (I separated it and got 5 plants out of it!) and its fun to nuture a rose in the winter, even if its just a mini. Last winter I raised a lot of roses from seeds under the lights and that was a fun project. It must be wonderful to be able to enjoy the aroma of a real rose in the winter!

organic.....Oh yes....Pretty Jessica. I have been accused of enabling several forum members into that beauty! Before long, you will see for yourself why.

Celeste
gnabonnand
15 years ago
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Organicgardendreams, you are not alone. She got me with 'Pretty Jessica' too. Now, I will soon have two of them.

Randy
organicgardendreams
15 years ago
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Randy, somehow I feel that you can not really complain, because besides Celeste you are one of the worst enablers running around in this forum!
I am only saying Souvernir de la Malmaison...
onewheeler
15 years ago
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Oh Celeste I can appreciate how you miss your roses.

I had 235 in my old garden, in this one I have 75 so far. I have replaced at least 30 of my old ones, my most favorite ones that I have room for. This yard is not the 3 acres I had to play with, only 100 feet in all directions but fill it I will, LOL. I do wish I had room for more of the gallicas, but they get really big here, I adore them, the colors are so vibrant. I have a couple. Of the 18 new ones I have coming in April, 4 of them are replacements.

this is what my roses looked like last week. Ugh.

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kristin_flower
15 years ago
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I've always wanted to try an Alba. Now I know I must have one. Thanks for the beautiful pictures and descriptions!

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