Sink and range on same wall - kitchen remodel layout help!!

10 months ago

Hi! Still planning major kitchen remodel… we’ve been wanting to live with our current kitchen for longer to really know what works and what doesn’t. Right now we have a major issue with our island / fridge set up because you can hardly open the fridge if anyone is sitting at the farthest seat on the island. We are unwilling to lose our kitchen table despite having a dining table not too far off the kitchen.

So here’s where I’m at: I think the only way it will really “work” without blowing out any walls is to put the sink and range on the same wall (where the sink is now), and move the fridge to the back wall (where the range is now). What do you think of my rough sketch for the sink/range wall?

For reference: the width of the kitchen is 14 feet so right now we have 2 feet deep cabinets (sink wall), 42” space, 3 feet deep island, 42” space, 2 feet deep cabinets/fridge wall. I’m proposing to keep the island the same depth but maybe reduce the depth of the cabinets on the current fridge wall to gain more space around island.

The length of the kitchen (all the way from the French door past the kitchen table) is 18.5 feet. I’m also proposing to add a small banquette and smaller table to replace the current kitchen eating situation (I would have about 5.5-6 feet on that wall for it).

FYI: we already plan to replace the windows on that whole wall so current window placement is irrelevant.

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artemis78
10 months ago
Even with that change, you won't have enough room for seating at the island if you want to keep the cabinets on the refrigerator wall too. Do you need the island seating with the kitchen table right next to it? The easiest way would be to put cabinets or shelves where the knee space is instead. If you really want the island seating, you'll need to reduce the cabinets on the wall there to 12" or so, which will give you a 53" aisle--still very tight (and less than is recommended) for seating, with a not terribly useful depth for the pantry cabinets. It seems like a big cost when the kitchen table is right there.
Francesca Colasanto
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10 months ago
Good points. The island is used 99% of the time by our kids and their friends so it’s useful for that purpose and I’d rather not lose it. My thought was to have double ovens where the very last tall pantry cabinet currently is and then just have 18” deep pantry cabinets all down the rest of the wall. When you walk through the kitchen there’s a dining space and long wall that we plan to make into a dry bar and more pantry cabinets so technically I don’t need the pantry cabinets IN the kitchen but I can’t picture the space without any cabinets on that wall.. hmmmmm……
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lol. Ok, the island was a bad idea. I got carried away and forgot that I'm design-challenged. But if anyone has a counter height table to sell, I'll take 2. bmore, I get the message. I'll take a few pictures of the space and try to post them by the end of the weekend. To answer the questions: The little piece of wall only juts out about 2 1/2" so it's not to scale in my drawing. It's actually one wall that runs the entire length of the living room and the kitchen. It juts out that way to create a small alcove where the large window is. A picture would definitely help :o). The slider door opens from the left side, not the right. Yes, it would be possible to switch out the slider for a French door and window if we decide to include walls and windows in the remodel. No dining room, unfortunately. The fridge swings the way angie drew it in her layout, which I like for the reasons lavender mentioned. It follows the rules so DH will love it. Thanks for your layout, angie. lavender_lass - thanks for the advice. We've been slowly renovating over the last 10 years and last but not least is the kitchen. We're happy here but DH thinks we could use an extra bedroom, which is why we'd consider moving. DH and I will firm up the scale and budget for this remodel now instead in January. It'll be so much easier to choose the direction we want to go in with these layout options. I'll have an update real soon....
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Working blind, not knowing what walls are loadbearing. Here are some pet peeves about the layout: 1) I hate the opening between dining room and kitchen, which sends through traffic by the sink and presumably DW; 2, hate the stairs coming down right in front of a wall; 3) most of the foyer to me is wasted and down the road I would try to reallocate most of it to the BR; and 4, Not fond of both a breakfast nook and dining room. What I would do: 1) Close current opening between dining room and kitchen to provide a large L-shaped area. 2) Create new opening at extreme left side of that existing wall. 3) Remove part of the wall between laundry area and breakfast nook. End the wall aligned with the stairs so they will be visible from breakfast nook and kitchen. 4) Move fridge (counter depth if possible) to the left of the sink. If space permits, steal a couple of feet from the breakfast nook but ensure there is room for a small table and chairs. 5) By moving the opening between the dining area and kitchen, and relocating the fridge, you now should have room for a decent sized island in the most popular kitchen shape: an L shaped island with a working (no seating) island. The island would be a great landing zone for the pantry and fridge. Given the structural changes, I would use a design-build firm that has a kitchen designer and a civil engineer or architect on board.
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Denise Marchand - thank you for all of your suggestions! We took your suggestion to move the refrigerator to the wall with the other tall cabinets but are keeping the sink and dishwasher in the locations on my original plan - this allows us to have a corner cabinet. We are using ikea cabinets so we are limited to 15" and 24". We are planning on using a gloss, white subway tile for the open walls (full wall) and back splash on the cabinet wall. We also switch to solid oak counters throughout. Do the window's it is hard to add shelving on either side of the sink. Once the wall is bumped out to even it out with the other side to cover the plumbing stack, the wall to the left of the sink only has 5/6"s of depth before the window. We may add open shelving above the dishwasher on the same wall as the tall cabinets and a high open shelf along the wall with the stove as well. We're going to wait till cabinets and counters are up before we make any decisions about adding open shelving. Since we eliminated the wall cabinets we also switched around the light plan. (below). With a 2nd row, we dropped down to 4" lights from the 6". We are somewhat constrained by the water pipes/stack and AC vents that run through ceiling. The tall cabinets will also have counter task lights. The box outline matches which switch they are attached to. We'll will make sure both sets are dimmable. Debating if it make more sense to only have 2 lights in the hall...If we add another light above the dishwasher, it could only be 10" from the wall. Since we eliminated the wall cabinets we also switched around the light plan. See attached. Since we added another row, we are dropping down to 4" lights from the 6". We are somewhat constrained by the water pipes and AC vents that run through ceiling. The tall cabinets will also have counter task lights. The box outline matches which switch they are attached to. We'll will make sure both sets are dimmable.
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Thank you both very much for your responses! Biondanonima, we just have 2 adults and one small child. Mostly it's one cook, because right now we just get in each other's way. I agree that placing range and fridge on the east wall could create a lot of distance - would you consider that helpful for two cooks, or would it just be less efficient for one? Would having range and fridge side by side be awkward/an eyesore? Renan, I very much appreciate the diagram - I had a 2nd company here today to take measurements for a quote, and offer thoughts on design, and we talked about a breakfast bar the way you've illustrated it. It very nice to see it drawn up! It does look functional, and I totally agree with inverting the opening of the side door in that scenario. Curious about the 5'3" space on the northeast corner - were you being generous or would you say that is a firm distance for clearance/capping the end of the counter?
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artemis78
10 months ago
You could play with 15" deep pantry cabinets and a 30" deep island, which would give you 25" sink run-42" aisle-30" island-56" aisle-15" pantry. It will still be tight, though, and you'll need to figure out where the other appliances that are there now would land.
Francesca Colasanto
Original Author
10 months ago
Thank you!! The thought of a 56” aisle is dreamy lol.. I would love a much deeper kitchen but it’s the first house we’ve had an island in so I don’t have a big frame of reference for the aisle space. It does feel cramped now that’s for sure. Thanks again :-)
cat_ky
10 months ago
I would not want my stove on the wall where my sink is. I would leave it where it is now. I also do not like the seating part of the island. Those stools, if someone is sitting on them, are in the walking path from the door, and also in the way of the refrigerator, which is actually in a good spot. Have you thought about a full range, rather than having the oven separate, and leaving it right where it is.
Sally T
10 months ago
Right now, we have 41" between the island (seating side) and the pantry wall. It's totally fine. Do you need that seating area? It seems redundant with island. I would extend the island further, make the windows near current seating area narrower, and extend sink wall of cabinets. Is the current range vented to the outside? If not, I'd put it on the sink wall for easy ventilation. We're putting the range on the sink wall but my wall is longer than your cabinet wall - 136"
lharpie
10 months ago
The problem is best prep space is between stove and sink - this space is now small with dw in the way. imagine trying to cook and clean up as you go? or one person trying to cook and another clean up? i’d want 48” aisles too so would nix the counter seating. the kids will sit at the table if it goes. or limit to 2 seats with one on narrow end?
Francesca Colasanto
Original Author
10 months ago
So here’s our dining area (when we moved in they were using it as a sitting area). It’s just a little far from our kitchen so nobody sits there except for meals and the kitchen table is used for people to sit and talk to me while I cook, homework, paying bills etc. The island is mostly for food prep or our kids to randomly sit at to eat casually - it’s much less or true seating if that makes sense. But it’s true that the island seating isn’t ideal with the fridge there which is why I was hoping to move the fridge… and here we are! There must be a better way…….

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