Hi, Crystal. I just Googled. It appears Amazon has both seeds and seedling plants. There are probably other sources, too: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=toothache+seeds&hvadid=77927937978963&hvbmt=bb&hvdev=c&hvqmt=b&tag=mh0b-20&ref=pd_sl_9ayfq3alng_b. I've had pretty good luck ordering plants off of Amazon.

Oh dear, Buttoni,

I see now that I did not write down the specific variety that I was looking for. Zanthoxylum hirsutum is the variety that grows in Central Texas with very low water and dry soil. The other varieties need more water. Like so many of our other plants that grow around the world, it's just a matter of locating the variety that grows best in the area closest to you. I did see that posting on Amazon, but it was the wrong variety. So, I'm continuing to search that out. I do thank you very much for your efforts in trying to help me. Not everyone would have looked on Amazon in hopes of helping someone else to find what they've been searching for. We all need good, dear friends like you.

Crystal

Well,I don't know if you are a member of the Natl. Gardening Association, but if you join (free), you might be able to contact one of these two members that have the tree. Perhaps you could work out a swap deal with one of them for some seeds? Worth a try: https://garden.org/lists/plant/86097/

Thanks for having reminded me... I am a member. I just haven't been on the online in a while. Been working the yard instead. It seems to be all consuming. I'm sure you know what I mean.

Bless your heart once more. I've already chatted with these two. But, I did go back and look. I've also sent notes to the Ladybird Johnson Wildflower Center, my Ag agent, other Master Gardeners in my county, to the NPSOT headquarters, and any number of friends. I will be going to the local Chapter meeting of NPSOT this Thurs night. I suppose after this, I'll drop my search. I just need some rough addresses or intersections where I can go look myself. I'd rather not do any major searching by myself because there is safety in numbers. I know how easy it is to get tunnel vision getting caught up in what I'm doing so as not to be aware of where I might be. But, I'll keep looking at the moment. My real desire would be to have 2 of the 'hirsutum' variety of Toothache trees so I could collect the seeds and propagate them to be given to others. I wanted it for the Giant Swallowtails as an additional enticement into my yard. So, momentarily, I'll keep trying. Thanks for your encouragement.

This is going to be a tough one to find. My goal would be to eventually have both a male and female so I could propagate the seeds for distribution across our area. They'd have to be free. But, finding those seeds will be difficult. You can't propagate from regular limb cuttings. All I see mentioned is taking root cuttings. Wow, I sure hate to disturb roots... provided I can even find one. Wild case scenario is that I do, then it has to grow up before I can determine if is a male or female based upon the blooms. I'm about at the end of my journey. I've made so many calls and emails to people in the know... but they don't know. The one I'm searching for grows in dry soil and is a low water plant. When you consider the severe drought that Central Texas has been this year... low water natives are the only ones we should consider saving. I understand that we've lost a lot of large older trees this year. It's a shame, even pecans who have such a deep tap root have died. My yard is a dust bowl. I couldn't have anyone come in my yard with a cigarette. Everything here is just waiting to burn.

I do thank you for having written. It's comforting just to be able to ask others.

Crystal

I know someone who has them growing naturally in her yard here in Comal County. I can ask her if she has any seedlings. Let me know.

I have them . They sucker more than seed. You are welcome to come and dig some up. I am not sure if they have seed on them now.... I walked out there and there are a few seeds in the pods. I am west of austin north of Dripping springs in the Hamilton Pool area. It might rain today good so the dirt will be friendlier. I can collect some seed. Homw much do you need. I just picked a handful but it is mostly husks.... but some seed. I am too busy to do the digging of the plants right now, but you are welcome.

^ Wow, I'd love a few to plant in the parks here to help spread them, if you got any extras?

Loreleicomal,

Thank you so very much for having responded to my note. I'd definitely make a trip over there from Temple to get some. I'd even bring my own shovel and dig them up if I can. When you ask her, can you get her email, phone number and physical street address. I'd need to email or call her first to set up a date and time to coincide with this event. Again, thank you so much!

crystalfisher912@gmail.com

Wantonamara,

Oh my gosh, am I ever blessed today. IF you can collect any more seeds, I'd greatly appreciate it. I'll be coming from Temple and would like to correspond with you through my personal email so we can arrange a date and time. It might have to be mid November if that would work with you.

I'll be glad to bring my own shovel and pots. Let's chat off Houzz. This is greatly appreciated.

crystalfisher912@gmail.com

Blakrab Centex,

Oh dear, you and I need to chat. If you are unfamiliar with this tree as it grow up and matures, you'd know to never, never trust planting it in a park. Our parks around us are very sensitive to anything that could anyone on park property to any degree. As soon as it would be spotted, even as a sapling, it would be taken out. Don't loose any valuable seeds or saplings to being planted on any property rain by the City. I'd also say the State, but you might want to personally contact them first and get their approval since it is such a rare tree. Before doing that, I'd give more serious thought to locating it in another area where you know it would be protected.

I plan to plant mine on my property in the far corner. This will also require a permanent note to be located with it. I'd go so far as to make a square of concrete explaining the value of the tree to Giant Swallowtail larva. Mine might even require a small fence around it so any future property owner would realize something value is going on there. I also plan to attach notes and a map inside the folder that would go to a future owner. Of course, once property has changed hands, it's out of our control. Even thought my yard is being planted ONLY with POLLINATOR friendly plants, and nothing else, I have no control over a future owner taking everything out. I just hope that everything that I document will be taken to heart and read carefully with all my notes as they will relate to each plant in my yard along with a photo of each plant that I can attach to the paperwork.

All I'm asking is for you to more than serious thought to where you'd like to plant this tree. I fully understand your desire to keep it alive and well along with your desire for it to live safe into the future to insure Giant Swallowtail has a better chance of living and reproducing. God bless your efforts as your thought process indicates as much.

Very sincerely,

Xtal

Send me a PM on my page . My messaging is set up . send your email and I will switch over to email then. You can get to my page by clicking my name or my avatar , me thinks.

Blackrab, I will go out and see if any seeds are left on the bunches.

Thank you so much. I don't know how viable the seeds are as I've only seen mention of getting root cuttings. But, I sure hate to disturb any roots. I will try my best to start those seeds. Am already planning that I'll be taking a trip over there and probably try to go to both places, yours and to that of Loreleicomal. I'm already getting very enthused over coming to your place. I hope to be able to visit with you at that time. I know you've been very active on this website and would like to see your yard, too, if possible. Maybe when we chat and set a date and time, you can make it when you are available.

crystalfisher912@gmail.com

Thanks wantonamara!!! ^5

And Xtal, great points... Although the areas I'm thinking about are within forested hike & bike parks with trails...not open lawns with playgrounds surrounded by sparse tree lines that constantly get cut back. These usually are safer than roadside or telephone/power line greenbelts. And in the long run, they might even be safer than private properties - as whom

ever you eventually sell your land to one day might very conceivably clear-cut and "develop" the land.

I mean, as long as we are under colonialist rule though, nowhere is safe!

(Surviving national forests in black. But before 1492...the entire continent was an OLD-GROWTH, 100% NATIVE "national forest.")

First off. The seeds have dropped in the last wind and rain storm. We got two inches and lots of wind. Goddid we need it. Not many seeds but I did get a few more. I can post them uncleaned... Not a huge amount. If you still want more next year. Get ahold of me earlier in the year. like the beginning of september or even in August. The trees are stressed and loosing their leaves early right now. There arePLENTY of small dig gable ones. Don't worry about their roots, they don't. I did dig a bunch for a friend who wanted them to bonsai. So bring your shovel. I have many babies in a short walk from the house that need thinning.

I'd love to come dig some up. This variety suckers, doesn't it? Give me another day or two and I'll write you back through our personal email.

Hi Xtal, I live in Belton on 50 acres and have a few growing native. I don't know how to ID the specific species, though. The one I chewed on yesterday had lost most of its leaves, so they are harder to ID right now. You'd be welcome to come over and look at them, digging what you'd like. Or I can send you photos if it would help make sure it's what you want. I'm 4 miles east of Belton on FM436. tryscience@hotmail.com

If still interested I have Zanthoxylum simulans seeds?

Omniviridis,

Can you email me back on my home email? My computer hard drive needs to be replaced. I've been trying to email you without any success.

crystalfisher912@gmail.com

Thank you!

I'm so thrilled to say that I got a Toothache Tree sapling given to me by Cristy in Belton. She's got some incredible wilds capping going on there. What a blessing it is to see where people have put the wild natives first.

I want to thank all of you who responded. I wasn't sure that many even knew what it was.

Love you guys!!!!

Crystal