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Comments (19)GGG, Frankly, I think people who make statements like yours sound like maybe they are a little afraid of what a reasonable approach might turn up. Touchy-feely, the-world-is-out-to-get-me is fine, but it doesn't do much to persuade reasonable people of any danger. You can feel like Monsanto, or whoever, is doing you (or the world) wrong until you turn green, but that does nothing to change the situation. Questioning is good, making accusations without backup or worrying about something you (and I'm not referring to Vroomp, here, BTW) don't even really understand is not. ______________________________________ Vroomp, If you're really concerned about some aspect of the topic, make a clear concise argument for your point. Many many people feel GMO food and related herbicides, that are currently approved for use, are completely safe. Some think the whole food system is on the verge of collapse. Still others are somewhere in between and might even be looking for answers. Obviously, many people have reviewed the available information and made conclusions different than yours, or things wouldn't be as they are now. So, it's not as simple as just looking the information up on a search engine. It's kind of like if you went to a crowded theater and saw an electrical problem that could result in a short. You could stand up and shout "FIRE!!!" Some people might run for the door, but most would just look around, see nothing, and think you were a nut or just kidding around. A more sensible way to address such a situation is to calmly bring your case up with some type of convincing argument that a danger truly existed. Staying quite and ignoring the short wouldn't make it go away, but yelling "FIRE!" doesn't solve the problem either. Finally, I don't mean to be so preachy about how you should make your point. But I figured I better explain my point a little more after GGG decided to attack....See MoreEarthquake warning
Comments (14)http://www.okgeosurvey1.gov/pages/earthquakes/information.php http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/02/24/24greenwire-groundtruthing-academy-award-nominee-gasland-33228.html?pagewanted=all I spend a lot of time on political stuff on other sites which focus on the various topics of the day. I'm a bit of an activist, that way, really. But it isn't very relaxing, generally speaking. It can be fun and enjoyable, but not relaxing. I come to this site for the gardening. I don't come here for politics, religion or controversial topics....other than courteous discussions about the best time to plant things or what kind of compost is best and when. You know, because gardening is relaxing and generally non-controversial. The next part of this particular game, at best, involves competing 'experts' and such - meaning that the other guy hasn't got much of a leg to stand on, because if there's a lot of controversy - or even a little - among the experts and scientists, the issue is far from settled. If anyone says it is settled, when it isn't, they're trying to sell you something. The other path such a discussion will take involves lame logic, silly syllogisms and angry analogies, when the burden of proof fallacy doesn't trump everything else. This step is then followed by ad homs, often sinking to childish version of name calling. Examine both sides of an issue. Don't take anything the pundits and wonks say for granted. Don't believe the government. Don't believe your favorite politician. They're all trying to sell you something. Do your own research. Do your own thinking. Y'all have fun! I'm outta here. May your days be full of joy....See MoreIncome inequality (warning, political)
Comments (130)Yes, there needs to be a real focus in this country on the things that support the middle class, and education and training is definitely one of them. Wellness and health care is another, since sick people and people who have big debt from a health crisis (like cancer, for example) have a hard time staying afloat financially. Last but not least, I think community support, institutions that keep kids on a good path, and ways people can share resources like neighborhood playgrounds and libraries, and beaches and boat ramps and hunting preserves and community gardens, and affordable day care, for a few examples, also support the middle class. And quality infrastructure supports economic health, which means good local jobs. But there is almost ZERO emphasis on these issues, just a lot of ho ha about gay marriage, terrorism, sensational crimes, and immigrants and public welfare cheats and poor unborn, theoretical lives. Compared to the problems you will have if you have a loved one with cancer and no health insurance, terrorism is not that big of a problem for you, statistically speaking--the health crisis is way more likely. Not that my sympathies don't go out to the people who suffer as a result of terrorism, but terrorism, like gang and organized crime violence, thrives and breeds in poverty and the erosion of the middle class. If you continue to just treat the symptoms, the disease will not necessarily go away. And I'm no big socialist radical, I think, (as probably do most Americans) that it will take a mix of public and private strategies to support the middle class. But even middle class private support organizations, like the YMCA and many churches, for example, are feeling pinched....See MoreHow Dangerous Is It to Be a Trump Supporter?
Comments (87)Can't this be said of Trump supporters too? Look at any depressed area of the country where jobs have disappeared. Have they prepared themselves for changes in technology that eliminated factory jobs? Did they get a college education or training to prepare themselves for today's jobs? Did they even graduate high school? Have they been willing to move away from depressed areas? Have they turned to drugs and alcohol? Had children they can't afford? Trump is their knight in shining armor who's going to bully the world into making them love us again. I was trying to speak about the Hispanic community and to some degree the African-American community due to personal experience, what I've learned in discussions with my wife who is from the South, and endless readings on economic and political issues. So yes there are some Trump supporters that may see a knight in shining armor. I would say the same thing to them. Without going back to re-read what I wrote earlier, I think freedom and independence in all facets is what is great about this country. I don't want to be an economic slave to some politician, whether that's Clinton or Trump. I don't need affirmative action or a government handout, no thank you. I'll compete on my own and give anyone a run for their money on my own. If I don't get a job, I don't complain it must've been racism. I go get another skill or credential. I have an internal locus of control and it's great! It's empowering! At the risk of repeating myself, this country is a magnificent place. I am one of the most blessed human beings on this Earth and money plays only a small part of that statement. I am one generation removed from abject poverty where corruption (sorry to say, so similar to what we see happening on the left today) nearly guarantees a permanent underclass. Which by the way, that underclass competes for our manufacturing jobs for 20 cents on the dollar. In similar ways, the corruption , enslavement, and political servitude that my parents fled is now increasing in this country. That saddens me as a very proud American. One of the greatest inspirations in my life are my dad and mom. My father came to Los Angeles as a 5 year old not speaking a word of English. There wasn't nearly the support there is for non-native speakers. Nevertheless my father made it through high school, through lots of racial unrest (particularly with Latino and Black tensions), through racism and never did they take government assistance. My father stayed away from drugs and the gangs which he says were all over. It's a part of my family history that I don't forget. I drive by the house where my father was raised. And I drive into the cul-de-sac where I lived until I was 4 years old. And honestly it's emotional for me. So much sacrifice has been made by my parents to help me get where I am at today. My mother's father was murdered when she was 2. Even in the third-world country where she lived, she was able to fight for an education, didn't mess around with men (avoiding teenage pregnancy that is almost guaranteed in her homeland), and focused on studying accounting. She shares stories of how poor they were that they often had only had one egg to split with the 5 siblings for breakfast. She shares that she had to use candlelight to do homework because electricity would be cut off after 7 or 8 pm. It's these stories that make me realize, anything is possible with hard work in this country. No, the white man is not trying to keep me or my sons down. No my white CEO is not trying to keep my wages down because I'm Hispanic. There is opportunity all over the place! And this great country made that possible. But I don't look for government to grant me my success. The freedom to work hard is there for everyone. That is the principle I am raising my kids with. Trying to bring this back to gardening, I do share this with my kids. I have a lot of plants on a mere 8000 square foot lot. Blueberries, peaches, nectarines, citrus, apple trees, and a struggling persimmon tree and a Kishu Mini (overwatering maybe the problem). And its sometimes a pain to keep it under control but I do. And my kids notice the hard work that it takes to reap rewards from my investment. And I love it. We believe in a reap and sow world. It has paid dividends in my life and my wife's (who ironically comes from a similar background but definitely had more challenges than I did). My son has a friend who lives across the street. The mom is single. In fact she has 3 kids each with different fathers. God bless her she has done as good of a job as she can. Her kid is a good kid. But you know what that kid says to my kids? Vote for Clinton because my mom says I'll get free college. The contrast is my kids hear that college is a good option and that we are saving for it so that when the time comes, the money is there. It's two polar viewpoints and its not unlike what we see in the adult world. And by the way, I tell my kids, don't ever look at a politician as the solution to your problem. I encourage them to find the solution within themselves. I truly believe it's that paradigm that can help the poor climb out of poverty and the vicious cycles that perpetuate it. I'll share one more thing. I work in a typical corporate environment. I talk to everyone from upper management to security guards and the janitors. I really enjoy talking to this one security guard who is making minimum wage because he allows me to hear a very different perspective. He is an immigrant from a country where socialistic leanings have destroyed opportunity. It's a country where man of their taxi cab drivers are college-educated but cannot find work in their fields. Without me sharing my viewpoint on politics, he opened up about the election and said he gets angry at Hispanics because we should know better. We have fled countries like Venezuela and Cuba. My parents fled a country with one of the highest murder rates in the world (even compared to war zones! How is that even possible!). The utopian projects have failed so he says why do we come here and try to bring the principles of our failed homelands here! It was brilliant. That day I shared with my friends and coworkers, that he so eloquently describe my frustration with my own. It really frustrates me and frankly I'm not sure there is anyway to get most of them to get this major point. We must stop looking to government to fix our problems. It takes sacrifice and determination and the ability to fight temptations (like sex at 14 or 16 or blowing every penny you earn on cable tv, $100 phone plans, $600 phones, and new cars you can't afford). Well, the end of this race is near which means more time to garden! God Bless America....See MoreUser
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