Feedback on kitchen appliance selection - Miele/SubZero
Joseph Fitzgerald
6 years ago
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Once you have Sub-zero, Miele, can you go back?
Comments (23)Each of the DWs I have been able to select has been what I consider upper mid-level -- something below the top of the line but with good insulation and washing features. The last two were a KA and my current pair of Bosch and each was one or two notches below their top of the line ($700-900)-- which is a big step from a Miele. I couldn't go to something less on the DW because my experience with mid to lower end models has been a lot more noise and less cleaning. I'd rather just build in a pull out drying rack and drip pan than go back to those, but I don't need a Miele and sure wasn't ready to do a pair! On the fridge, I have mixed feelings. I love my Thermador columns. It is above most of our neighborhood (there may be a couple other built-ins but I'm only thinking of one right now). We just took delivery of an LG bottom freezer for our utility room Saturday and I am moving things into it. To assure delivery in time to get our rebates and because the sale prices were so good, we went to the stainless finish. It looks great and I could see it as a primary fridge for most kitchens. The use of space is very different and you tend to forget how deep freestanding fridges can be. The built-ins make everything so much easier to see and access. I could go back, but I'd have to be diligent about the use and organization of the deeper fridge and remember to check behind things where I don't have to so much now. Going to a CD would be less of an adjustment. I have gone backwards on cooktops twice -- both with plans of changing them out that didn't happen very quickly. I hated the cooktops, but I have learned that if there is enough heat to cook, you can adjust....See MoreCommercial TRUE vs Miele/Sub-Zero
Comments (4)No, it isn't a terrible idea providing you are aware of a few caveats and limitations. I have an all fridge unit with the glass door in my kitchen. There will be NO warranty as it will be installed in a residential kitchen. IMHO, it's worth the risk as these units are about one-quarter the price of a SubZero. The actual refrigeration unit is fairly simple and can be serviced by anyone who works on refrigeration. They are not quiet if that's important to you. Having two units would probably be fairly noisy. True does manufacture several units that can be installed with remote compressors to mitigate the noise....See MoreFeedback on Appliance and Counterop Selection
Comments (12)My 36" SZ integrated fridge that has one tall upper door and 2 bottom drawers can fit a 1/2 sheet pan side by side long ways front to back on the deli drawer (bottom) shelf if the items in the door shelf are not taller than the deli drawer or as the above poster mentioned you can remove them. You can likely do the same with the other shelves but I didn't experiment. I keep my shorter items in the bottom door shelf so removing a couple would not be a biggie. That shelf is also not quite as deep as the other door shelves so it holds a lot of pepper sauces. As far as the height issue with integrated - I am barely 5ft. We put our tall items (milk/Juice/etc) on the top shelf as it is lowered enough that I can reach most items without a step stool. We also adjusted one door shelf to hold 2L bottles and other tall items. I did test out the bottom drawer and to my surprise it would not hold a half sheet pan long side front to back.Just got back in town last night to test out. You can use shelf dividers to stack multiple pans on the deli drawer shelf. To be honest - I love the look of the integrated versus built in. I have a very modern kitchen so trying to blend the appliances in with the cabinets was something I wanted to achieve. Everyone has their own objectives and priorities. I stand corrected on 36" all fridge integrated units. I did see one on the MIele website. Not on thermador nor liebherr. I don't even look at Gagenau - not in my price range. I have induction and rarely run my vent above speed 2 occasionally a 3 but I am not a heavy vent hood user. I think you will be fine with a pop up. I also think you will love induction....See MoreThermador vs SubZero/Wolf appliances?
Comments (48)"In regards to the screenshot you put to kalapointers post, she states she's been dealing with repairs for 7 years, but the M Series ovens were only released 4 years years ago. So not sure whats up " Kalapointer's post answers M111675's question, "Do you think it's still a problem on the Wolf M Professional convection oven? I understand it may be easier to fix, but does the problem still occur? " In Kalapointer's oven saga, it was at some point replaced with an M which they report here has chipped. "Well, I have waited since February 8th to have my M Pro double oven repaired. The enamel on the bottom of the oven was chipping and crazing." " Should an oven be able to handle self-cleaning mode, yes. But I can tell you from my experience many people have problems with their units after they've run self-cleaning mode (and this is across the board for modern brands), likely due to all the new microchips and electronics we use in modern ovens these days." Whether it is electronics or the blue enamel, if it doesn't work, don't promote it as a benefit and take it off until you get something that does work. "Coincidentally enough, I've never had a customer that experienced this chipping issue on Wolf ovens and I do sell quite a few. So I've not seen how it might arise yet the the real world. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened to these customers." No one knows how many have this problem except Wolf. From this forum, we know it has been ongoing for 10 years and some posters have had as many as 3 go bad not to mention one of the lawsuits mentioned a multiplicity of failures for one family. They were also talked into spending more money with Wolf to upgrade with the idea it would not occur and it still chipped. That has happened on this forum too. I feel if Wolf was sincere and it was truly a rare occurrence, they would upgrade the appliance at no additional cost for the inconvenience it causes and in at least one case someone cut their hand on the shards. It is also not just a cosmetic issue as they try to say. Rita" Seriously, who cares what color the interior of an oven is? " This^^^^^^^...See MoreJoseph Fitzgerald
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