Help me choose a rose, please!
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Comments (32)Hi Beth - I'm new to this forum, but not new to coastal Southern Cal rose growing, so I'll chime in too. I'm in San Juan Capistrano on the South end of Orange County and about 2.5 miles from the beach in a coastal canyon. So I know all about roses in the marine layer fog. Mildew, not black spot, is the bane of our existence here. The only blackspot I've ever seen in my garden was on florist roses. But I do spray. And the three most fragrant ones on your list -- Double Delight, McCartney Rose and Fragrant Cloud -- will mildew even with religious spraying. But, the fragrance is worth it and I grow all three. No one has told you about the rose societies here yet. There are several. I go all the way south to the California Coastal Rose Society in Carlsbad. That's probably too far for you. There are two other OC rose societies -- the Orange County Rose Society which meets very near to Huntington Beach in Westminster -- they focus on exhibitions and hold their show the last weekend of October every year at Rogers Gardens. There's also another one that focuses mostly on gardening, garden tours and garden parties -- no exhibiting -- which is the Saddleback Rose Society -- that one's a bit inland for both of us. Wholly different climate those folks have. You can get to either one by googling the names, or I've put a link in here for the OCRS. On the rest of your list, I've grown most of them, and they do just fine. But as a general rule, in coastal cool areas like ours, fewer petals is better. Many roses just won't open like they do in hot climes, and sometimes you just die waiting for a leeeetle bit of heat to get them open, which never comes. So, plan to have some that open without heat. As for colors, try these -- Pink -- Our Lady Of Guadalupe is by far the best pink floribunda. But also check out The Imposter and Lovestruck, both of which do well for me. For Hybrid Teas, I like Memorial Day. Purple -- Intrigue is okay, but try Purple Tiger -- it's better and it's striped. It does really well on the coast. For a Hybrid Tea, I like Neptune and one that Armstrongs carries called Della Reese that is a darker purple hybrid tea with occasional exhibition form. Orange -- About Face Red -- I'm still looking for a good one. Yellow -- Julia Child or Midas Touch. Or even Peace, which gets enormous blooms on the coast. Multi -- get some stripes -- City of Carlsbad if you can find it or Cabana if you can't. Have fun. I seem to move every few years just BECAUSE I get to replenish my garden. Enjoy it. Kathy Here is a link that might be useful: Orange County Rose Society...See MorePlease help me choose climbing thornless roses
Comments (15)I think if you only get 3-4 hours of morning sun, it will be hard to find a rose that will bloom well for you. Then again, you won't know until you try. Does the top of the pergola get more sun? Best case, the rose will grow up to the top without blooming much, and then do better once it reaches heights with more sun. Off the topic of roses, here is a guide to planting climbing hydrangeas: http://www.marthastewart.com/1502837/marthas-step-step-guide-climbing-hydrangeas But they won't have a scent. For scented climbers, you could try jasmine, but I'm not sure how well it does in shade. If you are planning on putting iris in that shady front bed, I would stay away from bearded iris, which like lots of sun. Japanese iris are ok in part shade. Even better for you would be Pacific Coast iris. These plants thrive on the west coast in part shade. I have several clumps of iris douglasiana (a native pacific coast iris) growing in my yard in spots that get maybe 1 or 2 hours of morning sun, and they bloom like crazy for about a month in the spring. There are many beautiful varieties. Check out the article here. Finally, another flower that has done great for me in part shade is foxglove. There are perennial varieties that will bloom from spring into late summer even in afternoon shade. And if you want scent, oriental lilies like some afternoon shade and create a heady perfume throughout the garden....See MoreHelp me choose a climbing rose...
Comments (15)Colette and its sister Lunar Mist are indeed cane hardy in my zone 5 garden, and they both bloom nicely (though nowhere near as nice as Nanadoll's in Idaho): Colette: Lunar Mist grows better for me, but it's in more sun - he's a yellow but tends to be more of a cream color that would do nicely in that space: Nahema is to die for I think, though I lost mine once in a mild winter after 4 or 5 cold ones with no problem: Eden is lovely when it blooms, but mine has only bloomed every 3 or 4 years. It wants to bloom on surviving cane which it only occasionally has, and even then I get maybe one or two flushes a year from her. I had to quick snap this one in May before it faded, so pardon the deadheads hanging on: Amaretto is nice and blooms fairly often in less-than-ideal circumstances, though I wish she wouldn't show her stamens quite as readily: Rosarium Uetersen is rock-solid hardy and blooms several times a year, with coral-pink fluffy double blooms: I agree that Felix Leclerc is lovely and very reliable, if you want to go with a hot pink: Abraham Darby has never climbed for me and barely clears 3' on a good year. Most Austins are tall bushes in my zone, except The Generous Gardener that's a washed out pink that doesn't bloom often for me, or Teasing Georgia that's a yellowish cream: Sombreuil sort of survived for a couple of years but I honestly never saw blooms. New Dawn has died three times for me and I'm not replacing it. You have to be careful about thorny monsters like ND in that space by your porch unless you are planning a support that doesn't allow the canes through into the sitting space. Remember that whatever you tie the roses to has to be far enough from the parts of the porch that will need paint or repair periodically. Awakening did live well for many years for me till it got shaded and parched out by some trees - this one has a Snow Queen hydrangea at back so you know it's in a fair bit of shade: Hope this helps with ideas! You have a lovely space to work with and are doing your homework ahead of time which always helps. Cynthia...See MoreNew rose garden- help me choose roses
Comments (4)Bernik, I'm not familiar with the roses you plan to use, so can't say how they would look, depends so much on where you are most often viewing your roses from. But in general, I would plant by expected height and habit first, making sure you've left enough space between each. You could put lower-growing roses with perhaps a more trailing habit at the front of the walk, and taller ones at the back. If that's a fence border in front, you could consider a climber on either side. Color is too personal for advice. I like to have waves of similarly pale roses, waves of similarly orange to reddish to yellow to buff roses, with a few true pinks and deep magentas here and there. I work with a cottage garden style, where you might prefer a different look. Try not to worry about getting it perfect. Every rose grower looks at their garden and mentally moves roses about like furniture, because that Tchaikovsky would obviously be better on the other side of the porch, now that we see it's growth habit in maturity. But roses aren't furniture, and they don't take to being moved around much. Sometimes you end up with a bit of regret. Since you probably aren't putting them into the ground yet—we have to wait till late May/early June here in Asheville, so the ground is fully warmed up—you still have time to keep looking at rose photos online, making sure you know the color and habit of each rose, and mentally moving them around till you land on what feels right to you. Best of luck!...See Morejennifer liu (Zone 6)
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