Experiencing older roses in full bloom
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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
8 years agoRelated Discussions
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Comments (24)Hi Bart! There IS a lot of mis information around and as much partial information. Research has shown 15 different "populations" of black spot world wide...so far. Each one is different enough that a rose resistant to one, may or may not be resistant to any of the others. Very few roses have multiple resistances. Knock Out has been demonstrated to be resistant to more of the US populations or types, strains, families, whatever you want to call them, than any other rose because it is the first rose to have been deliberately exposed to all five of them then selected for that resistance. I am not aware of any other roses to have been bred anywhere in the world using this deliberate exposure to the different strains of black spot. Not because no one cares, but because there has yet to be the possibility to expose them to the varying types without physically collecting infected foliage then deliberately exposing seedlings to them. That's what Bill Radler, Knock Out's creator, did. There are efforts under way to create the ability to submit seedlings for testing along these lines, but funding is scarce. So, if you have money you want to donate toward that goal, please let it be known. I can direct you to the right people! Even with this deliberate exposure, even Knock Outs aren't perfect, but they have been demonstrated to be the most resistant to the most number of American black spot types of any rose on the market. Notice the word "resistant", not "immune". They will spot under adverse conditions, but they spot less, retaining more of their foliage and flower more in more American climates than any other roses. Of course, your mileage may vary in individual situations, but they are the closest to the "universal" rose for the US of anything bred to date. The entire bottom line of this thread is, the right rose in the right place can be as trouble free as possible. All of us have our 'war stories' about trying to push zones, grow unsuitable types in the wrong climates, the wrong types in unsuitable culture styles, etc. IMHO, it goes to show that just because something might be able to be done, it doesn't mean it SHOULD be done. I CAN grow Gallicas here, but they won't flower well (if at all) and they will never be as disease resistant here as they will be in a shorter growing season with a harsher, longer winter. I CAN grow hybrid Rugosas such as Conrad F. Meyer, Rose a Parfum de l'Hay, etc., but they WILL be diseased, they will NEVER approach what they can be in the right environments and they will eventually shrink back to nothing. In both cases, the only hopes I have of pushing them to approach what they should be is to use high levels of fungicides. Again, the right rose (or type) in the right climate, using the right culture style. Kim...See MoreFull Moon = brug blooms.
Comments (13)pkponder, Shorty gets a wee bit darker with maturity. The fragrance is AMAZING ! I can't describe it enough except to say that it reminds me so much of a classy lady's perfume, and that once you smell her scent, you will be totally under her spell. Reminds me of a lady I once knew .... my mom. LOL rosepedal, no ... you have to come yourself for the cake. Fedex won't guarantee that it will be hot when it arrives at your door. :) To everyone else, thanks for your kind words. They are much appreciated....See MoreHoping for experienced advice
Comments (16)Well y'all just made my day, I can say! My little babies are all tucked in the ground now, and they look quite happy so far. I think I might just cry when I get my first bloom. I am busy googling all the different suggestions for companions everyone has made! I feel like such a dummy, so thanks for your patience and wonderful suggestions. ogrose, I especially appreciate the book suggestions. I'm a bit of a bookworm, and I've been reading everything I can get my hands on concerning my roses. Thank you for the link, plantmaven. The cat mint looks lovely! If it does better in partial shade, though, I may have to wait on it until the roses get a bit bigger, because they are in a very FULL sun corner of the yard, and there is NO shade there! I do have a different bed that they might do well in, though... Here's another newbie question--and this might be one for the rose forum (although I am seeing some familiar names in both places!) When we planted the roses, we mixed some leaf mold and composted manure in with the soil in the hole, and we had already worked manure and leaf mold into that bed a couple of weeks prior. Will they need any additional fertilizer and at what point? I would like to continue to use organics if at all possible, and if what I have available at the ranch is acceptable, that's the best scenario of all! I've read about fish emulsion and other fertilizers--what is your advice and opinion? Also, I am thinking about attempting to plant a hydrangea on the northeast side of my house that gets only morning sun for about 4-5 hours. A friend of mine has told me it's pointless to plant it because it probably won't bloom...maybe it's a little more advanced than I'm ready for. Any more suggestions for lower maintenance perennials? What gives you the longest blooms? I have three beds to fill up, y'all! I have a feeling there are more roses in my future, though!!...See MoreAnyone experienced growing a Hansa rose in Ontario/ cold conditions?
Comments (14)Hi jjpeace. I'm in Scarborough, in what seems to be a microclimate. We're 30 mins fom the lake, on a slight hill next to a city park and we get more cold winds and snow than say, downtown T.O. I think my "gardening" conditions and lack of knowledge killed the plants I had last year. I am forced to use containers because I am renting in a basement apartment with no access to the yard/ ground. So this year, I am really just running an experiment with three hardy roses - Hansa, Morden Blush & Prairie Princess - to see what kind of survival I can get based on my conditions. Very happily, the neighbour, who has been a great friend to us in the years that we've been here, offered last week to let me have some space in the garden that separates the two houses to bury my roses for the winter. If she had not offered, I was going to winterize at the back of the house, under the deck, in styrofoam containers filled with soil, dried leaves & covered with snow, based on some advice from public gardeners in Montreal & Minnessota who have experience with container gardening in cold climates. I'll be very joyful when (fingers crossed) we move next year and I can turn my future garden into a rose dream :-)...See More
rosecanadian
8 years ago
AquaEyes 7a NJ
8 years agolast modified: 8 years agoSara-Ann Z6B OK
8 years agolast modified: 8 years ago
jim1961 / Central Pennsylvania / Zone 6
8 years ago
titian1 10b Sydney
8 years agoSara-Ann, I love the old Teas, etc for their generosity, not only in Spring, but for most of the year in my garden. From the front, Comtesse du Cayla, Crepescule, Ms Tillier (hardly visible at back on left), and Mutabilis.
Trish
bethnorcal9
8 years agoI only have a handful of OGRs. And they don't really bloom all that great, unfortunately.
My MADAME HARDY hardly blooms. I need to remove her from the somewhat shady spot she's been in for over 10yrs.
FRAU KARL DRUSCHKI does much better. Altho this spot shown here is now where the new septic tank is. She's patiently awaiting in a pot, her new place...
REINE DES VIOLETTES also needs to get moved. It rarely blooms. The soil in that area is rather deplete.
VEILCHENBLAU on the other hand, blooms rather nicely once a yr. The color is a bit more purple than it shows here. Very interesting little rose.
Here's a close up from a few yrs later.
I have several teas. Some haven't bloomed yet. Well, to be fair, a few were new babies last spring.
I love SOUVENIR DE MME LEONIE VIENNOT. She's a gangly climbing tea that gets some lovely pink blooms.
MAMON COCHET is a big monster bush, sprawling all over with beautiful blooms. I don't have a full bush shot of it tho.
RUBENS is another big sprawly thing. It and DUCHESSE DE BRABANT, ROSETTE DELIZY and MME LEONNIE all kinda inter-twine together in the corner of this bed below our living room. It's a rather shady spot, but they all do well there.
RAINBOW hasn't been as productive as the others in that bed tho. Stays small and rarely blooms. Crap, you can see that infernal wild blackberry in the background. Auuggghhh!
I forgot MADAME DRIOUT is also in the mix with the other teas. Blooms only occasionally as well.
I think I seriously need to get in there and clean out the underplantings (and blackberry), and give these lovely ladies some much-needed fertilizer!
Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country
8 years agolast modified: 8 years agoSara-ann,
Like you, I am new to OGR's and currently grow 12 varieties of tea roses, which will become 16 in a handful of weeks. I also grow bourbons, hybrid perpetuals and others. My OGR's thus far have performed very well. In fact, SDLM is just a two year old own root bush, and it had over a dozen blooms set to open just before winter temperatures hit on Xmas day. Mlle. Sombreuil and Mrs. B.R. Cant have also been vigorous growers with a decent number of blooms/flushes for new plants. Blush noisette has been an almost continuous bloomer that is growing into a nice rounded shrub.
Ingrid, Jacqueline, Catspa, and Jeri come to mind when I think of recent full bush shots of OGR's. The images they have posted show how gracefully these rose bushes fit into so many landscapes. Christopher has posted fabulous images of OGR's integrated into the landscape too, and many of his, he describes as relatively new.
There is a softness, refinement, and charm OGR's have that IMO is unparalleled by many, not all modern roses. My garden definitely skews OGR's.
Olga_6b is before my GW time, but many of her posts and some images remain. She grows OGR's in a cold winter climate (6b).
Blush Noisette
SDLM Autumn
SDLM Summer
Kronprinzessin Viktoria
Lynn
jacqueline9CA