Proportions of refrigerated starter, flour and water
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Comments (7)I started sourdough cooking a couple of months ago so I know what you are talking about. Some recipes tell you to add active dry yeast to make a sourdough starter but traditional sourdough doesn't use dry yeast at all. In the old days, people used only flour and water and let the mixture sit in the kitchen until it began to fermentate and used it as a leavening agent. I used to make sourdough starter with active dry yeast. It worked too. But once I discovered the beauty of wild yeast I have never looked back. It took longer to cultivate wild yeast but the flavor is better and I really like the results. I always keep one cup of my sourdough starter in the fridge. I believe it's all right for your starter to sit out for a long time, as long as it's covered and you don't see mold in it. However, if you allowed the starter sit in room temperature for a few days without feeding it with new flour and water, it will dry out and and you cannot use it for baking. When I want to bake, I get out my refrigerated starter and let it sit to room temperature, then feed it with equal amount of water and flour to make a sponge. Once the mixture becomes very active (bubbly and yeasty), I use the sponge for making pancakes, waffles, cakes, even breads. Always save one cup of the sponge (before cooking) and put it back into the fridge so you won't run out. These days, only my husband uses yeast for cooking. To me, the sourdough starter is my new best friend....See MoreConsistency of sourdough starter/sponge
Comments (19)Susy, I also often add flour by hand after doing most of the kneading (or after sitting, for a no knead loaf), and don't have any trouble. I make sure that I have at least half of the flour in before kneading, so that I get enough gluten development for the bread to rise, and mix in the new flour well enough that I don't get flour pockets in the finished loaf. I think starting the recipe with all of the water and part of the flour is a helpful tool in several situations. If you're kneading by hand, it's almost impossible with a very stiff dough. You can go for 20 or 30 minutes and bruise your knuckles and the bread still won't rise. A wet dough (and wet hands!) is so much easier. If you've got sub-optimal tools, also. A cheapo hand mixer can't handle dough, but you can use it to whir up all the water mixed with half the flour and save yourself some elbow grease. As long as it's thick pancake batter consistency, you're getting some gluten development. Many stand mixers struggle with stiff dough. You can do most of your kneading with the loose dough, then knead in some extra flour toward the end. Adding different amounts of flour also allows you to use the same dough for a bunch of different uses. With my no-knead dough, I can add no flour and bake it in a loaf pan, add a little and make a free-form loaf or a pizza crust, or add a lot and make bagels. I'm not very familiar with bread makers, but I think over time you'll figure out the easiest method. If you've got a good strong motor on your bread machine and you prefer to measure your ingredients, once you iron out your recipe, putting everything in from the start may work perfectly for you. I'm more of a fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants kind of gal. I hope you'll come back and brag about your loaves, and maybe show us some pictures. We love that! :-)...See MoreSecond semi-fail with home ground flour.
Comments (14)Annie, I've found there's a lot of differences between the wheatberries from different farms. If yours aren't working, you might try finding one with a tested for that crop higher protein level. These might not apply to you, but are some of the things I've learned for 100% whole wheat, home milled, bread: If you mill at home, and aren't looking for a sweet flavor, you don't need any sweetener. What the honey is for in a lot of recipes is hiding the bitterness that whole wheat flour develops when it sits awhile (weeks) and starts to go rancid. A little acid, besides dealing with the anti-nutrients, works as a dough conditioner and retards mold growth (if we leave an end long enough to mold it's the free flour on it where it starts, not the bread itself). Ascorbic acid is fairly easily found as vitamin C crystals. I figure a jar may last me forever. It does add a little complexity to the flavor, which you might notice as acidity, but won't taste sour like vinegar. Handling the risen dough as little as possible, helps keep the gluten from being cut. It does not like "drawing a tight cloak". Like that saying about teaching a pig to dance, drawing it around like that just annoys the bread--the gluten breaks rather than stretches. A better way to shape, if necessary, is by folding, lightly. Do your best not to degas because it may not reinflate. If you're willing, adding vital wheat gluten makes up for the deficiencies of the protein content of the wheat. Re hydration, I always do a soak. A soak is where you either make up the dough for a long rise (at least 8 hours), or just combine the flour and liquid and let that set for at least 8 hours. This can be done in or out of the fridge. It takes awhile for the wheat to hydrate and what seems too dry turns damp and sticky. Whole wheat also takes more hydration than white. The best proportion I've been able to find, and have been using, but haven't tested extensively enough to know for sure from my own hands is 5 tsp. water for every cup of whole wheat flour that you substitute for white flour. Also be careful of the rise. If it doubles, it's probably too far gone. Aim for half that (1.5 times the original bulk). Maybe a little more. I haven't found a lot of good recipes, but that's common to all of the ones I do have, and if I miss and it gets to double on the rise, I don't get any oven spring. Oh, and no double rises. It doesn't want to be punched down. I found this recipe in a surprising place when I was looking for a low cleanup (water saving) daily bread: http://www.instructables.com/id/100-Whole-Wheat-Crusty-No-Knead-Artisan-Bread/ It's a good recipe. I've been playing with it, adding in other grains, and mixing in seeds and all. Overdoing that can also interfere with the rise, but I've got it to where I like it, and I prefer the multigrain flavor. I don't know if any of that is helpful to you. I've been on the same journey for a year, and had some sourdough flats of my own. :) Great sympathy here!...See MoreWhite Lily Flour Self Rising Flour Biscuits
Comments (28)If you can get King Arthur flour, that works better than anything else. Buttermilk Biscuits 2 1/2 cups self rising flour (I use King Arthur) 1 teaspoon sugar 1/2 cup PLAIN Crisco (not butter) 1 cup whole milk buttermilk Preheat oven to 425*. Cut Crisco into flour with a pastry cutter or fork until well mixed. Add buttermilk and stir. Turn out onto floured surface and pat out, turn in half, flip, pat out, and turn bottom half over. Pat out and cut with biscuit cutter. Place in pan sprayed with Pam. Reform leftover dough and cut rest of biscuits. I form the last biscuit by hand. You can do them all by hand if no cutter. Bake about 10 to 15 minutes. 1. You can cut recipe in half. You can also take out of oven after they are just done, but not brown, and freeze after they are cool. 2. To use regular flour, 2 1/2 cup plain flour, 2 tablespoons baking powder, 1 teaspoon salt. 3. We like to butter our biscuits after they are cooked and do not like butter in the dough. If you want butter in the dough, use 1/2 cup unsalted butter, omit Crisco. 4. The lard you get in the grocery stores now is not the same as old fashioned lard. If you have a source for real fresh lard, you can use 1/2 cup lard instead of Crisco or butter. 5. Keep your hands well floured and also dust a small amount on top of dough and under dough as you turn. Keep a light hand, you are not kneading yeast dough. Dust the cutter with flour, also. The first biscuits after I got married in 1970, you could of used for hockey pucks, lol. He ate them anyway!...See More- 11 years ago
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