White Lily Flour Self Rising Flour Biscuits
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Comments (5)This reminds me of a game I played years and years ago at a Tupperware party. The hostess passed around 8 little tubes of white powdered stuff with only numbers on it. You had to write down what foodstuff you thought it was - flour, sugar, baking powder, baking soda, powdered milk, etc. etc. Surprisingly enough, I won with 6 correct - I'd mixed up baking soda and baking powder. It stressed the importance of LABELS. If you put something in a container, label it. I'm still not very good at remembering to label something myself ... ask me about having chili over spaghetti noodles one time because I didn't label a red sauce as chili in the freezer! But I learned something from this. I didn't know how you could tell the difference between the two kinds of flours. Thanks, Linda and Ann! DonnaR/CA...See MoreWhite Lily flour is changing
Comments (13)Mary, Here's how to contact them. The White Lily Foods Company 4740 Burbank Road Memphis, TN 38118 The J.M. Smucker Co. 1 Strawberry Lane Orrville, Ohio 44667-0280 I still believe many voices can have an impact. Especially if they're voting with their pocketbook. By the way, The J. M. Smucker Company also has these brands: Domestic Adams After The Fall Borden EggNog Crisco Crosse & Blackwell Dickinson's Eagle Brand Eagle Brand Dessert Kits Hungry Jack Jif Kava Laura Scudder's Magnolia Martha White Mary Ellen Milnot Natural Brew None Such PET Pillsbury R.W. Knudsen Family Santa Cruz Organic Smucker's White Lily International Bick's (Canada) Double Fruit (Canada) Golden Temple (Canada) Red River (Canada) Robin Hood (Canada) Shirriff (Canada) Here is a link that might be useful: Contact White Lily...See MoreWhite Lily Flour
Comments (10)Sadly, it's no longer the same product; the Knoxville plant closed and it's now made by Smucker's. On a double blind testing, experienced bakers could tell the difference. From the 6/18/2008 Atlanta Journal-Constitution: White Lily Flour leaves the South By Elizabeth Lee : Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 01:12 PM The Atlanta Journal-Constitution By the end of the month, White Lily Flour, for more than 100 years a staple for biscuits, cakes and pies, will no longer be made in the South. The flour has been made in the same Knoxville, Tenn., factory for 125 years, where itÂs milled to produce the lightest, whitest flour around, one ideally suited for Southern favorites like biscuits. Other flours have higher protein contents, which make them better for sturdier baked goods like breads. J.M. Smucker, which bought the White Lily brand in 2006 from C.H. Guenther & Sons, will continue making the flour at facilities in the Midwest. But many cooks are worried that the flour wonÂt be the same, according to a story in todayÂs New York Times. The newspaper got a few cooks to do a blind-baking test of flour milled in Knoxville, and the new version produced in the land of hard winter wheat. The results werenÂt scientific, but they were unanimous: Cooks said they could tell the difference, and that the new White Lily flour didnÂt produce the tender biscuits that the old one does....See MoreWhat do I need to know about WHITE whole wheat flour?
Comments (26)Kari & Clare - Kari - My sources for wheat: 1. locally grown hard winter red and white wheat (free or very cheap, but usually NOT chemical-free or organic) 2. Heartland Mill, Marienthal, KS - organic grains 3. Bob's Red Mill - soft white wheat (and other grains) 4. Wal-Mart - Hard Spring White Wheat - Prairie Gold (from Wheat Montana - chemical-free) - they also carry hard red wheat Bronze Chief. Wal-Mart has only recently started carrying Wheat Montana wheat around here - $5 for 25-pounds. Mills: 1. (A very old) Whisper Mill - which is an electric impact mill (now known as a Wonder Mill) - this mills most grains/seeds/beans into a very fine flour - fine flour = fine bread, coarse flour = coarse bread. 2. Marga Mulino Flaker Mill - for cracked grain, flakes, and coarse farina (for cooked cereal) 3. Corona Corn Mill - for coarsely milled grain and corn meal. 4. Porkert Seed Grinder - for small seeds, such as amaranth, poppy seeds, teff, etc. 5. Bosch Coffee/Spice - for milling flaxmeal. 6. Family Grain Mill - a hand mill, that also has an electric-powered motor to run it as well, that has a lot of attachments available for other uses (meat grinders, flakers, etc.). This is my back-up mill. You have to mill the flour twice to get a reasonably fine grind of flour. Source for recipes: I suggest you start by substituting unbleached/bleached flour in your favorite recipes with a portion of wholegrain flour. There are all kinds of books out there on whole wheat baking. I have a collection of 28 beans, seeds, and grains that I use milled and whole - included in that, several types of wheat. I develop many of my own recipes because I use really "odd" ingredients, including gluten-free baking. Here's a few books I like from the large selection in my library: RECIPES FROM THE OLD MILL (Baking with Whole Grains) by Sarah E. Myers and Mary Beth Lind WHOLE WHEAT COOKERY (Treasures from the Wheat Bin) by Howard and Anna Ruth Beck THE AMAZING WHEAT BOOK by LeArta Moulton THE SPLENDID GRAIN (all kinds of seeds and grains) by Rebecca Wood WHEAT COOKIN' MADE EASY by Pam Crockett --------------- Clare - Wheat comes in HARD (strong/high-gluten) and SOFT (weak/low-gluten) varieties. Whole Wheat Pastry Flour is milled from (low-gluten) soft red wheat, just like you thought. It's best used just as you described - in baked goods where you don't want a lot of gluten development - for the most part, anything other than yeast breads. Low-gluten bleached flour would include White Lily and Martha White - which are great for quick breads, pastry, etc. I purchase soft white wheat berries from Bob's Red Mill to mill into whole wheat pastry flour. I also use freshly-milled spelt and some rye, barley, and triticale for baked goods that need low-gluten flour, as an alternative to soft wheat flour. All wheat has a protein level that determins if the grain is hard or soft. Even in the same field you'll find protein (gluten) level differences from one side of the field to the other. If a portion of the field is shaded(usually at the edge of the field) and/or there's a low place in the field that retains water after a rain, the wheat that receives a lot of water/shade will usually have a low-protein count. Even though hard wheat may have been planted, the protein level is also determined by the amount of rainfall, and other factors. Soft wheats are characteristicly plump (a lot of endosperm), while hard wheat varieties (especially winter wheat) is small, wrinkled, and very hard when you bite it. When soft whole wheat is milled, the flour is exactly that - very soft to the touch. Hard whole wheat is much 'grittier' - due to the higher percentage of bran to endosperm ratio. All bleached/unbleached flour is milled from a combination of wheat protein levels to formulate the amount of protein for the type of flour needed. High-protein wheat is used for yeast breads, a combination of hard and soft wheat is milled for all-purpose flour, and pastry flour is milled from soft wheat. There are also fields of extremely high protein wheats (15% or more), but they are mixed with lower protein wheat to make flour. I've used some wheat that was 16% protein, and it took forever (lots of kneading and a very long fermentation) to develop the gluten in bread - 12-13% protein level is much better for yeast bread. Too much gluten will make a tough loaf of bread. The highest protein level wheat is durum wheat. Unlike hard red and white wheat varieties which are used for yeast breads, durum wheat is used in pasta. I mill durum for whole wheat pasta - NOT red or white varieties of wheat. Commercial whole wheat pasta is made with wholegrain durum wheat. The elements in wheat protein that we call "gluten" are actually a gluten group - GLUTENINS and GLIADINS. Glutenins provide the elasticity quality that allows bread dough to expand. Gliadins contribute to the viscosity and extensibility of bread dough. Red and white wheat varieties have a dominance of GLUTENINS and less GLIADINS. Durum wheat has a dominance of GLIADINS and less GLUTENINS. Therefore, even though durum wheat has a high protein level, it's unsuited for bread making, due to the type of protein. -Grainlady...See More- 7 years agolast modified: 7 years ago
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