Why Isn't My Chicken Soup Broth, Well...Chickeny?
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Chicken stock/soup different recipes/processing times?
Comments (17)For anyone reading this in the future, I finally did contact Dr. Andress and there really isn't supposed to be any meat left on the carcass when you start, they rewrote the instructions for So Easy to Preserve but she says they might clarify a little more on the website that this is a STOCK not a soup, that's why I kept putting "stock" in quotes b/c to me a stock doesn't have meat. Here's her reply "Here is how we re-worded it for our University of Georgia So Easy to Preserve book, below, although it's not a lot more specific. And I might now choose to say "Place large carcass bones (with as much meat removed as you can)": Or the other option is to not allow picking of the carcass at all. The directions really only allow for adding back the bits still clinging to the bones after cooling, not the all the meat stripped from the bones. So that's how we tried to word the order of actions for our book. But we can consider rewording on the website from the USDA guidelines, also. Thank you for pointing this out. Chicken Stock (Broth) Hot pack-- Place large carcass bones (with most of meat removed) in a large stockpot. Add enough water to cover bones. Cover pot and simmer until meat can easily be stripped from bones, about 30 to 45 minutes. Remove bones. Cool broth; skim off and discard fat. Remove the bits of meat clinging to bones and add to broth, if desired. Reheat broth to boiling. Fill hot jars, leaving 1-inch headspace. Wipe jar rims. Adjust lids and process. CAUTION: Do not add additional meat to this product. Process in a Dial Gauge Pressure Canner......(etc.)" Since how much meat is left on the carcass can vary, I think it's best not to put any meat back into the broth for canning, though I suggest that straining to get any bits floating might not be necessary. I also wouldn't add anything left at the bottom of the stockpot to the jars (sometimes I get little bits of bone as well as meat at the bottom of the stock). I knew what stock meant to a chef, couldn't figure out why NCHFP website was saying to add meat back into the broth, this was from very old procedures and it turns out stock really means stock. Maybe this is clear to someone who's been canning for a long time, but I haven't had any training (beyond NCHFP course, reading, and what I've picked up on this forum) so when I read that you could have meat in the jars my first question was "how much" - answer turns out to be "really nothing". HTH...See MoreWhy isn't rabbit cheaper? Aren't they sorta born pregnant?
Comments (16)When I was a child Dad bought me three rabbits, a buck and two does. We put them in the chicken coop. In a year we had 119 bunnies, and that didn't count the ones we ate, we gave away, etc. I never did manage to sell one, no one here wants a bunny. You literally cannot give them away, then or now. Dad finally opened that door and let them go. When the boys go rabbit hunting at the farm they still get white bunnies, black bunnies, golden bunnies with white feet. They apparently adjusted quite nicely to the habitat because that was at least 40 years ago and their offspring still are everywhere in Norwich Township in spite of the flourishing fox population. And now I have a family of them in the backyard eating my plants. Of course, my theory has always been that if I feed them, I get to eat them, but there's some rule or another about shooting a gun within the city limits. funny, though, if I try to uy dressed rabbit to eat, it's about $5 a pound. We raised them to eat for a while but eventually no one had the stomach to kill them so we quit. I will tell you that you should not put rabbit in a crockpot unless youw atch it carefully. It'll fall apart and then you spent a lot of time picking out all those tiny little bones..... Annie...See MoreNeed T & T recipe for Frenh Onion Soup - broth type not creme
Comments (18)I use Julia's recipe for the most part, with my own changes (I use red wine, vermouth and brandy and part rich beef broth that is reduced by half), but I still deeply caramelize the onions. I have her book "The Way to Cook" and the recipe in there is a little different than the one Beth posted from her earlier book. Last time I made it, several months ago, the onions took almost two hours to caramelize to a walnut brown. I can post the recipe but it's not much different than others here. Ina Gartens French Onion is also excellent, one of the few I've seen that uses enough alcohol. Barefoot Contessa french onion Soup 2 1/2 lbs yellow onions, halved, and sliced 1/4-inch thick ( 8 cups) 1/4 lb unsalted butter 1 bay leaves 1/2 cup medium-dry sherry 1/2 cup brandy or 1/2 cup cognac 1 1/2 cups good dry white wine 4 cups beef stock 4 cups veal stock ( or just double up on the beef stock) 1 tablespoon kosher salt 1/2 teaspoon fresh ground white pepper freshly grated parmesan cheese ( or a cheese of your choice) Directions In a large stockpot on medium-high heat, saute the onions with the butter and bay leaf for 20 minutes, until the onions turn a rich golden brown color. Deglaze the pan with the sherry and brandy and simmer uncovered for 5 minutes. Add the white wine and simmer uncovered for 15 more minutes. Add the beef and veal stocks plus salt and pepper. Bring to a boil, then simmer uncovered for 20 minutes. Remove the bay leaf, taste for salt and pepper, and serve hot with grated Parmesan....See MoreQ: Ajiaco Colombiano -- chicken, potato & corn soup
Comments (5)Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Sorry, it has taken me a while to get back here. Sol -- thanks for the info about ajiaco also being a Cuban dish. I looked online to refresh my memory about culantro. I think we bought some once, but I was used to cilantro and prefered that. I pinkmountain -- funny. I bet a lot of weeds taste alike. The hares and cottontail rabbits in our yard seem to think there's a difference. I have not yet tried our dandelions, purselane, and smartweed. Ci_lantro - Wow! Thanks so much for all of that information. I _knew_ that there had to be a good reason why those papas criollas were not in our markets. They are so delicious and I bet more than a few hundred people returning from visits to Bogota' have risked secreting them away in luggage for their own use. I'll have to read and learn more about why they cannot be grown in the US. Maybe in Denver? Even so, we need more imports. I've been thinking or ordering some from online, but how would they remain frozen for an affordable price? Hmm. That POTATO PROJECT link is interesting. I've planted whole Kennebec (Maine) potatoes and ate them after digging them up -- no drying outside. Delicious; especially the small ones. I see a lot of fingerling and even blue potatoes at the farm market. I'll probably go with those. I am about 45 miles from Boston, but I think there is a Colombian enclave in East Boston. Kind of a trek for soup. My bit of the weed galinsoga has dried. Not tasted it yet. I think l pinkmountain is going to be right -- it's just going to taste like one more lawn weed. I don't think the Bogota housekeeper/cook used it. She did use the papa criolla, cow corn, chicken, cilantro and capers (maybe crema). Guess I'll have to make a few batches ;-) Another soup I want to make soon is the Greek avgolemono -- chicken-lemon soup with orzo or rice. I've had it served cold and served warm. Another is vichyssoise. Love it. I froze some last September and served it hot in February. Yummy. Thanks again, folks. If I make the ajiaco, I will post photos and a review or notes. Last week I made mussels -- moules mariniere -- and the leftovers were great. I found some mussels (Mytilus edulis) for $1/pound that were super fresh and plump. I bet it would freeze well. I need to make space in my freezer!...See More- 13 years ago
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