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To Vista or Not to Vista

jerry_nj
17 years ago

I, like many others have, or will, purchased a PC (notebook) that came with XP and a free upgrade to Vista. My case is a Dell C521 and I have to install (maybe it is just order) Vista by March 15, to get my "free" copy.

I'm thinking about it, yes I know it "should be" a lot of things, but it is a "NEW" environment and requires learning a lot of "how do you do that" that I know when operating XP.

What is the right thing to do, change or stay pat with XP?

Comments (15)

  • mikie_gw
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Order your free Vista copy then worry about it.

  • owbist
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Mikie has the right idea. However you might look into what will be needed down the road if you wipe the drive. With upgrades it requires a valid lesser program to be used to verify authenticity. What will you have to do to protect yourself on that score Jerry? Not meaning to ruin your plans but I have not seen this mentioned anywhere and it could mean big bucks in the future if not addressed from the beginning.

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    After posting the upgrading question above I decided to find an answer. You can read what is required by Microsoft from the link below. So it seems you cannot do a clean install but must install your XP then Vista if at some point you decide to wipe your drive.

    Note, this is only in reference to upgrade versions

    Here is a link that might be useful: Upgrading details

  • genes
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Even with a free upgrade, I wouldnt be in a big rush to install Vista for a while yet. One would have to make sure that all programs, applications on the computer are Vista ready. If I had my Vista copy ready, I would sit back in the weeds and get what the general reaction is first

  • jerry_nj
    Original Author
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    owbist,

    I am recalling all the problems that went "around" with the upgrade to XP SP2. I had a new computer shortly after SP2's release so I was installing SP2 on a "clean" XP system. It went just fine.

    Now for the Vista upgrade, I've gone to some effort to mover that new in December PC up to a fully operational machine and that, plus the new environment causes me to have some reservations. Heck, I had W95 on the machine the new XP replaced.

    I'm not sure, but will check, if my "free" upgrade time limit applies to the time I have to order/receive it or the time I have to activate it. If it is only an order issue, yes I'll order and sit on it for a while before I upgrade, that'll give me some time to see what others learn. Never be first is a good "rule" with software.

  • asolo
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I was early installer of XP and well recall all the hassles in the early going of that OS. Now it works wonderfully well. I assume Vista will, too....eventually. I'm with Mac, now, so I don't care but if I was still with XP I would wait quite a few months for Vista to shake out using the aggravation of others before I signed up.

  • ross939
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Perhaps this review from c-net might shed some light on the latest Windows upgrade:

    "Windows Vista Home Premium is essentially warmed-over Windows XP Home Edition. If you're currently happy with Windows XP SP2, we see no compelling reason to upgrade. On the other hand, if you need a new computer right now, Windows Vista Home Premium is stable enough for everyday use."

    Reviewed by: Robert Vamosi
    Reviewed on 1/24/07 Release date: 1/30/07

    Compare editions
    For a side-by-side comparison chart of Windows Vista editions, click below.

    Windows Vista is Microsoft's first new operating system in more than five years and the successor to Windows XP. However, it is not worth rushing out to purchase. If you desperately need to buy a new PC (if your old one died or you've been waiting and waiting for Vista to be released), then by all means do so; there's nothing wrong with Windows Vista. But there's no one compelling feature within Windows Vista that cries out to switch over, neither the enhanced graphic capabilities (Aero) nor the improved system performance features (truthfully, our Windows XP doesn't crash). As for security, Microsoft's biggest improvements in Windows Vista are within the Enterprise or 64-bit editions, editions most home users will not be running. Windows Vista is not the Apple Mac OS X 10.4 killer one hoped for (or feared). Nor are there specific big-name software packages written exclusively for Windows Vista--most software available today is compatible with both Windows XP and Windows Vista. But the extensive tie-ins to Microsoft.com and Live.com, and the many, many interdependences upon Internet Explorer 7 left us desperately wanting more (and often best-of-breed) alternatives. Hard core Microsofties who live and breathe within the MSN, Live.com, and Microsoft desktop software ecosystem will rejoice with the release of Windows Vista, but for the rest of us who are product agnostic, who use Firefox, Google Desktop, ZoneAlarm, GMail, and Corel WordPerfect, Windows XP SP2 will suffice nicely until some killer program necessitates that we all upgrade to Windows Vista.

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    Windows Vista Ultimate
    Windows Vista Business
    Windows Vista Home Basic

    Setup and installation
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    Home Premium users have built-in Parental Controls that allow you to filter Web sites visited as well as limit a user's Internet access by specific hours; there are also online gaming recommendations, with an easy-to-understand industry rating system. Also, Windows Vista Home Premium and Ultimate editions both give you Windows Media Center, which has been redesigned to better take advantage of online television subscription services and home theater systems. There's also built-in DVD-burning software, but because most DVD players come with their own software, we don't find this to be a significant plus.

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    Upon installation, Windows Vista rates each system's overall hardware performance, with the final score reflecting your system's lowest individual score. This is handy. For example, if you suspect that everything's running a little slow, you might find that your hard drive is returning the lowest score. Windows Vista will then recommend a faster hard drive or a drive with larger compatibility. Mostly, though, the video card will be the sore spot for most users. There's also an event log viewer to show, for example, after a specific software install your system performance started to degrade, and that uninstalling the software may restore your overall performance.

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  • jerry_nj
    Original Author
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Sold!! I figured this forum would help me decide, I do admit the advice is along the intuitive and experience with MS. I do read, but not study, PC Magazine, and they had the same drift as express by the c-net article. Hope we don't have a copyright violation by putting it on the forum, credits were given, an important point.

    I'll try to get "my free" upgrade, but will let it sit in the desk until later...

    Thanks,

  • albert_135   39.17°N 119.76°W 4695ft.
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    By now you are probably weary of what writers have written about Vista but a writer over at Slate has some interesting comments on Vista which one might have missed becaused it is tucked away within an article on Office 2007.

  • mikie_gw
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I have to buy a bigger hard drive for it if I want it on my laptop.. it only has a 14Gb drive, with 9Gb free.

    Oh well, maybe some part of microsoft will send me a free Vista then I'll buy a bigger/faster drive to partially justify the effort. I can probably buy a whole new laptop for the price of Vista Ultimate and a nice drive.

  • gipster
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hi jerry_nj ,
    Like previous posters have said get your copy Of Vista and sit on for as long as you can until Vista gets patched and security concerns get shook out.Install Vista early and you will be a beta tester for Microsoft.Hold off for as long as you can before installing.
    Hope this helps ya.

  • owbist
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Jerry - and anyone else remotely interested in Vista upgrades - you might find the article liked below of tremendous value to you. I thought it was a very good article

    Here is a link that might be useful: A very interesting read

  • marthapartha
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Robert Vamosi ... is, well...not my favorite editor. He compared OS offerings a couple years back, he got everything wrong. The sound and the fury was huge. There were a few other products that recieved glaringly biased reviews...we all are biased at heart, its part of the human condition, but he has been downright unfair.

    I won't read anything he writes anymore. The opposite extreme is Tom's Hardware, which offers and goes into so much detail on every product they review, a short one, by their standards is 40 pages long.

    Ross went to a lot of effort to post the article...but be very leary of anything that Robert Vamosi writes about in either direction, he's over their in his ivory tower, living in a fantasy world.

    I was a CNET fan and supporter since 2000, with my WEBTV PLUS, I felt like a proud parent when they joined forces with the New York Times. Unfortunately, the quality of their reviews has since declined. I place much more confidence with the user reviews at CNET than editors...particularly Robert Vamosi.

    If I am intent on finding information about a tech product, I do my best to wade through the muck at Tom's. Because its an UK site, they might have a slightly more objective edge. I won't be interested in Vista for a long time...money being one of the constraints.

    Tom's on Vista:


    http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/31/windows-vista-superfetch-and-readyboostanalyzed/



    http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/


    My 2. I didn't read Robert's review above, I probably should have, I don't even know if these two articles at Tom's shed light on the question.

    I do know that Microsoft's problems with faulty software have been exponentially increasing. I wouldn't jump in without looking where I was going first.

    marf

  • Jonesy
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    My problems upgrading to XP were many, I think they were due to upgrading with my particular computer instead of buying a computer with XP install on it by the factory. I love my XP pro and will not upgrade at all.

  • ross939
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "Ross went to a lot of effort to post the article...but..."

    no effort in cut and pasting... article was much, much longer than I realized... thanks for the advice about Tom's Gardware...
    --J