Help me choose a climbing rose

16 years ago

I am wanting to plant a climbing rose on my fence. I already have New Dawn, Climbing Pinkie and Cecile Brunner. I am considering the following roses: Eden, Climbing Souvenir de la Malmaison, Lamarque, Sombreuil or Zepherine Drouhin. I live in Zone 7 - West Texas. Our sun is really hot and usually it is very dry here. I want something that will establish fairly quickly and bloom very prolific. Thanks for your help.

Karen

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zeffyrose
16 years ago
Have you considered Viking Queen or Compassion?----lovely and hardy.

Florence
kmmeiers
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16 years ago
I am not familiar with either of those roses. Where would I find information on them? Neither of them are listed on Ashdown Roses or Antique Rose Emporium. Thanks for the suggestions.

Karen
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I know all about the first come, first served policy! To my cost! Some trees were taken out before I moved in, so shade is not really a factor. The lot lies on an East/West axis, with a fence and cedar hedge along the long north edge. The house sits at the east end of the lot, so the back yard is actually something of a u-shaped suntrap, with the empty part of the u facing south. The most difficult part of the yard for roses is along the west, which is where the trees used to be. I have the albas there. Some roses are wrapped in burlap, two are tipped and covered with dirt and compost, and all but the albas, rugosas, and a hybrid setigira are mounded with dirt and straw. This last winter has been quite mild, with only one night of lows near 0, and the ground not staying frozen--I am glad I mounded, even if I do get some canker.
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I think if you only get 3-4 hours of morning sun, it will be hard to find a rose that will bloom well for you. Then again, you won't know until you try. Does the top of the pergola get more sun? Best case, the rose will grow up to the top without blooming much, and then do better once it reaches heights with more sun. Off the topic of roses, here is a guide to planting climbing hydrangeas: http://www.marthastewart.com/1502837/marthas-step-step-guide-climbing-hydrangeas But they won't have a scent. For scented climbers, you could try jasmine, but I'm not sure how well it does in shade. If you are planning on putting iris in that shady front bed, I would stay away from bearded iris, which like lots of sun. Japanese iris are ok in part shade. Even better for you would be Pacific Coast iris. These plants thrive on the west coast in part shade. I have several clumps of iris douglasiana (a native pacific coast iris) growing in my yard in spots that get maybe 1 or 2 hours of morning sun, and they bloom like crazy for about a month in the spring. There are many beautiful varieties. Check out the article here. Finally, another flower that has done great for me in part shade is foxglove. There are perennial varieties that will bloom from spring into late summer even in afternoon shade. And if you want scent, oriental lilies like some afternoon shade and create a heady perfume throughout the garden.
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Don Juan is a beautiful red climber that does best in a warmer climate. It tended to sulk for me in zone 7. If a climber wants to grow a certain way, then that will be the way it grows best. But if the rose has bendy canes, then you will have no problem growing it along a fence. Don Juan is stubborn and has stiff canes, so you would have to start bending the canes when young. When the new canes is about 3 feet tall, take a piece of ribbon, tie a loop over the canes about 2 or 3 feet above the fence. Then every month, gently tie the canes closer to the fence such as one foot lower. Finally when about one foot from the fence, tie the cane down with a large loop to the fencing. When the laterals start to grow from the main canes, cut those back each spring to about one foot. They will then get mad and grow back to around 3 feet during the summer. Again you will have to cut the canes back next spring to one foot. Repeat this routine even though you get fed up!! The best way to plant a rose along a fence is in the middle, Then you tie the canes along the fence both ways from the center canes. Find a nice sheltered place in your garden in full sun, usually against a house wall or corner, and Don Juan should do okay for you. It is a very old rose, bred somewhere in the 1950s, so one shouldn't expect too much from it unless planted in a nice warm climate. Don Juan didn't like my cold winds.
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jerijen
16 years ago
Karen, Let me put in a vote for 'Lamarque.'
It's vigorous, blooms in big generous sprays, and does not mildew or rust.

Jeri
luxrosa
16 years ago
Since you already have 3 pink roses, I'd reccomend "Lamarque". Here in Oakland, Ca "Lamarque" continues to bloom a month after Mme A. Carriere and Crepescule have stopped and it is also the first to bloom in spring. Like all Tea-Noisettes it's floriferous with a high bloom count per sq. foot of bush.

Luxrosa
zeffyrose
16 years ago
Karen----these two roses are not Antiques but they both do well in my no-spray garden

Viking Queen---
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Compassion
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Both have a nice fragrance

Florence
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16 years ago
Zepherine is by no stretch of the imagination a prolific rebloomer 1 great Spring flush sporadic bloooms afterward. I love Sombreuil it's got pretty good repeat here. I love SDLM but do not know that the climbing version has as good a repeat as the regular version. Some folks get a good rebloom on Eden we did not have that luck but it is a magnificent rose in it's spring flush....if it doesn't rain too much then soggy balled beauties!! I also love Viking Queen never found any fault with her. I'm a big fan of an old climber Inspiration they have 2 at the Brooklyn Botanical Gardesn it's fragrant large flowere and always in bloom.
dublinbay z6 (KS)
16 years ago
kmmeiers--you can always find more info about and pics of roses at helpmefind.com. It's a great resource.

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cactusjoe1
16 years ago
Would you try a rose with an unusual color blend? If so, you must look at Soaring Spirits. I wasn't sure if I would like it's colour but decided to give it a try anyways. But now, in it's second year, it's fast becoming one of my favourites. The trusses of flowers are huge. The trusses are elongated, and I can truly see how the name "soaring spirits" (named in remembrance of those who died in the 9-11) is an apt one.
rjlinva
16 years ago
For maximum rebloom in my garden, there is Clair Matin. This is a semi-double, and it is disease resistant.

Robert
garden_party
16 years ago
Personally, you have an awful lot of PINK - which I love. However, some white would make those pink lovelies strut their stuff a little - and then maybe a yellow blend - and you'd be in rose heaven on the climbers. For white, Lamarque is a healthy noisette. I don't grow, but that's the word and the heritage. I do grow Alister Stella Grey (sp?) and this one is a delightful cream with early lemon accents in the Noisette family. Or, if you want profusion - try Prosperity! What a healthy heifer. She's all white and never says no to cluster blooming from head to toe all summer long. Golden showers is a full bloom healthy yellow climber. Or if you stick to the glamour of the antique style, crepuscle will line you up with a yellow / apricot bloom. It's a noisette as well.

You should have fun with all the possibilities. Let us know what you go with.
zeffyrose
16 years ago
Robert----I agree with you about Clair Matin----I should have added that it is also one of my favorites.

Florence
Xtal in Central TX, zone 8b
15 years ago
Karen,
These responses helped me a lot. I want a yellow climber to plant with my Don Juan, climbers. So, I'll go check into these.

It's been a year now and I'm curious which rose you got?
Xtal

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