Well, I've been a bit discouraged about growing roses since I moved back to the south. In CA I had magnificent ones, but if you think black spot is the pits, try the orange version they battle out there. Now roses are starting to call my name again and on a recent visit to Charleston I spotted one I would LOVE to have. Anyone have any idea what it might be? The flowers (about 2 1/2 inches across) were palest pink - more creamy white with just a blush. And they opened out almost flat (old fashioned looking) with lots of petals in the middle. The canes were quite long on some of them we saw and were climbing/leaning over garden walls. The most amazing thing, though, was the fragrance! Fantastic! I would dearly love to have one of these to grow over a covered wooden swing I have in my garden. I can only imagine sitting there surrounded by that delicious scent!

I think I need a clone! That just screams charm! Jacques Cartier is a climber? I'm trying to root a cutting and just thought it was a big bush. I hope mine takes is yours is really beautiful. Now I'm really sad my Mac died and it's bad spot. I really need to get another one.

Hi everyone, I decided to email David Austin about the Mill on the floss and thought I'd share the answer here: In relation to your question the size which you can see on our website or in our handbook of roses is the average size which the rose can reach without the pruning. The shrub rose "The Mill on the Floss" as an example can reach around 4,5ft in high and around 4-4,5 on the width. Generally we do recommend to prune the roses every year as it helps them to thrive but pruning is also removal of weak, dead and diseased stems but the main purpose of pruning is to create a shapely, attractive shrub with good structure. We do recommend to cut back stems by 1/2, if the rose is a repeat flowering shrub. Because the rose "Mill on the Floss" is a quite new rose from 2018 our experts discovered with a time that the rose can be bred as a short climber as well but they need a good sunny position to achieve 6-8ft. In the first year, when the plant is still establishing, we recommend to prune lightly, leaving about two thirds of the shrub. So it looks like the stated size does not take pruning into account. It's interesting that given ideal conditions, it may grow much taller as well.

BenT where would you place your Dream Time..... I see it doesn't make any of your tiers.... I am planning on getting it from your pictures alone, but so glad it is fragrant.... however, I can only hope to smell it I have Fragrant Cloud which everybody raves about and my husband loves it.... but I can't smell it.... mine or others... it won best fragrant at our rose show... but nada for me..... I also have Double Delight which I like the scent, but it is not overly strong to me.... but others who visit say WOW..... so I think there must be something wrong with my nose.... but that being said.... Neil Diamond one of my top scented roses... I have two because the first one I thought was a dud and grew backwards... now the 2nd one is doing the same.... so sad because I just love the fragrance and the rose itself but a terrible terrible bush for me... they are declining one stick wonders. Sugar Moon a WONDERFULLY powerful rose scent... but it too has problems. I have two of these bushes because one was mismarked as PJPII. This rose isn't a one cane wonder, but it does get canker easily.... I get lots of tropical winds and the canes seem damage very EASY .... other bushes of same size not so much.... but I sure love the scent. I won't remove SM because I love her scent.... and I debate on getting ND.... but you know the saying Fool Me Once... Fool Me Twice..... but maybe I am just an addict to Neils scent, because it is SO HARD to walk by him at a nursery. Sharifa Asma is my strongest scented David Austin.... I have Jude and Evelyn though neither seem to be super strong.... Outta the Blue is my strongest scented mauve. Nahema is also one of my top contenders.