'Fourth Of July' might be nice. It's red and white with excellent re-bloom and has a mild but noticeable sweet fragrance.

Whichever you choose put one flower from each variety together to make sure the reds look good together. I had two reds side-by-side once and it was a warm orangy red and a bluer purpler red and they looked dreadful together.

This post was edited by hoovb on Mon, Jan 14, 13 at 13:49

Hehehe, that is what I was thinking about too Hoovb!

I have a pair of hot orange-red standards that would look great by the pomegranates due to the color. My neighbor just gave me 3 more red because she could not stand them in the bed of pastel roses. Ole` will be going by the hot orange-red standards and Lasting Love by the other standard at either end of a set of steps from the front yard to the lower.

Mr Lincoln is more deep red purple and can stay by the house some where. I think he would look okay with Don Juan. But will be a distance apart.

'Rhode Island Red' (a.k.a. "Kocher Red" and "Fields of the Wood") is an excellent deep, true red climber, very similar in color to 'Don Juan'. But it is quite a lot more vigorous and might take over. On the plus side, it's much more flexible than DJ, so can be bent over the top of a trellis much more easily. It has a nice old rose scent.

My two favorites are Cancan and Ramblin Red. Both are disease free and bloom freely. I have Rhode Island Red as well, but it was new last year and hasn't established itself yet, but have heard great things!

Tammy

Kippy -- Let me put in another plug for Fourth of July.

It's completely disease-free here, and a generous bloomer. In fact, it is defiantly opening a few new blooms just now.

Jeri

For zone 10 you might want to consider some of the red climbing teas, or early HTs, if you prefer. Some are Reine Marie Henriette, Bardou Job, Noella (or Marie) Nabonand. There is also a very nice striped sport of RMH which has stripes only on the inside of the petals. It is really quite pretty. I am afraid the name escapes me at the moment.

Another plug for 4th of July. It will brighten up and show off Don Juan. It's a lighter red but same hue? And yes, it's very tough, tho it can be a bit slow to take off, and is, as they say, a manerly climber..

I have no experience with it, but I have 'Orfeo' coming as a band in the spring. I went for it totally off of info from HelpMeFind. So...I guess I'm just throwing it out there and hoping someone else can share their experiences with it.

:-)

~Christopher

Here is a link that might be useful: 'Orfeo'

Would a tea like Noella Nabonnand be better than a HT climber?

I like 4th of July, but think it is too much for this bed with the serious stripes. I have Purple Splash (the purple version of 4th of July) and like it but put it some where that it is separate from the other roses so it can stand alone and I am still not thrilled with it. If I was picking for what I want, I would not be looking at reds! But Don Juan stays so red it is.

You might like Dublin Bay. I have 2 of them. They blooms lots, I think would be similiar in red tones to Don Juan. I really like this climber. Dont think it is fragrant.....but it is really a deep, pretty red, canes are pliable. I had moved one and put it in a pot in 2011, didnt get around to planting it, and it bloomed all last year in the pot. Plan to get it in the ground this year and watch it take off.

Red Eden Climber: not similar to Don Juan, but I still felt I had to chime in and give my two cents. Its red, it is doing well in my SoCal home and its many petals are gorgeous.

Be very very careful about reds.

MANY fragrant red roses will mildew here -- their inheritance from their distant ancestor -- 'General Jacqueminot.'

Add Dublin Bay (which we grew a long time ago) is sometimes NOT a climber. Ours was one of those, which turned out to be a large-ish Shrub.

Noella Nabonnand -- which I have not grown, tho I'd like to -- would be magnificent if it is as clean here as the other Nabonnand roses.

And Altissimo is absolutely fantastic in our area.

Jeri

Jeri, how different does Altissimo look from Doc Huey?

I have Doc wanting to pop up from Don Juan and want to make sure I can tell at the top of the arbor if the doc snuck a cane in the bunch

WAY, WAY DIFFERENT! It is a different shade of red, a warmer, more vivid shade, and it is a big single with glorious stamens.

The late Bobbie McKinney, lady who was a long-time member of both Ventura and Santa Barbara Rose Societies had an incredible Altissimo that went up the front of her home in La Conchita.

Jeri

Here is a link that might be useful: Altissimo at HMF

Nadia - it is so nice to hear someone from 9b comment on Red Eden. I have room for two more climbers. I haven't seen Red Eden in person yet, but the photos have me convinced that this must be one of them.

Altissimo has those fabulous golden stamens. Jeri is right about not being mistaken for Dr. Huey. A well grown Altissimo is a glorious thing to see.

I had Orfeo in Washington DC, a lot of the photos I posted at Help Me Find are of my Orfeo there. It is awesome, the blooms are extremely fragrant and there are a ton of petals. I took one rose with me when we moved from there, and it was Orfeo. I started a cutting and brought it with to NC. I also suggest Cl. Etoile de Holland, it is very fragrant and the blooms are a deep red, just beautiful.

Yougojay, thanks so much for the vote of approval. I'm really going to be experimenting in this new place -- virtually everything I have on order I've never grown before. I was hoping that 'Orfeo' would be a winner here in NJ -- it's the only real "red climber" I have coming, unless you count 'Souvenir du Dr. Jamain' and 'Pierre Notting.'

:-)

~Christopher

Yougojay. Thank you for the tip on Orfeo. I'm just researching it now. Looks to be a winner in my neck of the woods too. Etoille de Holland does well here so here's hoping this works too. I'm working on my Rogue order so will add this one too. Thank you so much.
Jeannie

I also love Altissimo (a true scarlet) although I have little experience of red climbers apart from Etoile de Hollande and Souvenire de Claudius Denoyel - both selected for the glorious contrast between gold stamens and deep red open petallage. All 3 are a tad stiff and rather good, given the support of a sturdy arch.....but, at least in the UK, none of these cover themselves in blooms but, on the other hand, are strong and open enough and to support a companion climber such as a viticella or integrifolia clem (Huldine?, Betty Corning?) for example or even mina lobata (spanish flag -I grow this with SdCD).

I've had my eye on ORFEO for some time. Glad to find out it excels in the Washington DC area. Another one is CLIMBING CRIMSON GLORY because the fragrance is said to be outstanding and it has large blooms that nod on thin stems, a trait I look for in climbers.

'Altissimo' is a great cut rose, too. I'm not sure how it would look with the red of DJ, though. Growth habit fairly stiff.

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You are all welcome! (Jeannie, Christopher & Molineaux) Glad to see you still posting molineaux, I remember you were in the DC area.
Orfeo really, REALLY too off where I had it planted. It was a band and I potted it up to a 2 gallon where it shot out a few new canes. Put it in the ground facing South with 6-7 hours of sun a day and within a few years it had canes around 15 feet long. It is a bright red color with tons of petals, red like "The Squire" - It is a cross between Guinee & Curly Pink, CP is a Brownell Hybrid Tea. I would imagine any zone 6 or above, this red climber will do well. Lets hope for a great rose season in 2013...I know it has been hard on a lot of people on the forums with drought & heat & all. ~Jay

If you ever plant Altissimo somewhere, let it the last blooms stay so you can enjoy the beautiful red hips later on.

One other suggestion ... Cl. Cramoisi Superieur. The bloom is just like the bush form. I have it, tho is still very small, but the foliage has been always healthy.

Jeri

Doing the happy dance, working on the new entry way with an arch for Renae. Gotta love man help! And the Hilti with a clay spade.

Renae should make a great "Greeter.". :-)

Jeri

Rhode Island Red a/k/a Fields of the Wood.

Be forewarned that both Altissimo and Fourth of July have vicious thorns.

Okay, I know she's fussy and I'm making myself a target, but I feel compelled to toss Guinee into the suggestion box. According to Vintage, good culture and regular deadheading go a long way toward ameliorating her reputation for conservative bloom and blackspot. When she's good, she's very, very good! Dark red velvet FRAGRANT confection. Guinee would look mighty fine strollin' arm in arm with Don. That's my plug. Now come and get me.

Carol

This post was edited by PortlandMysteryRose on Thu, May 23, 13 at 7:09

Here's a suggestion -- if you can find it. (We saw this at the Celebration Of Old Roses.)

Cl. Etoile de Hollande
(Discovered by Mathias Leenders (Netherlands, 1931 [HT, 1919; General MacArthur ÃÂ Hadley])

Fragrant, and a wonderful dark, dark red. (Darker than shown here) Opened up to show bright gold stamens. To DIE for.

Dublin Bay would be my pick. It finishes one flush and shortly starts another.

Falstaff, lovely fragrance, healthy, gorgeous colour.

You may want to investigate the pink version of climbing don juan. It's much more fragrant than the red and the color is fabulous.

Two of the three I like have already been mentioned: Dublin Bay, beautiful but no fragrance and as noted not always tall, and Altissimo. The other one I really like and grows well here in Oklahoma is Guinee. It is an early hybrid tea and the flower form is often quartered. It is a very dark red/crimson and very fragrant. I have grown it and Sombeuil together for a beautiful display.

another vote for 'Etoille de Hollande' we have it growing up a fence, and the fragrance is really special, though not as strong as 'Crimson Glory' which I would rate as having five out of five fffff's. , our cl. Cramoisi Superieur' does not open in cool weather, ( we live c. a quarter mile from the san francisco bay, f.y.i. and it is a bit frustrating to see it full of red rosebuds in February that will never open to release their fragrance, and the buds will eventually rot and drop. It is a beautiful O.G.R. though in spring, summer and the autumn. I would suggest if you live by the coast you might try 'Noella Nabonnand' instead as it opens its' wide blooms just fine here, in all seasons, has shown to be locally disease resistant in Oakland, Ca where conditions are strong for p.m. in spring and late autumn and winter, and also to b.s. in warmer weather. I've never seen any disease on N.N. locally. I would rate the scent as fff, spicy+ with damask type scent notes. Really good re-bloom rate, too. Rogue valley might have it in stock.

Lux.

Kippy -- if you don't mind the shade of red, I have seen 'Altissimo' climbing two stories up the front of a house in La Conchita.

It is interesting how topics from the past are coming back up with Houzz

Here is what ended up happening with this arch.

I looked at this bed all summer debating the empty spot, disliking the blah tone of the Netune's in the summer sun. Finding out that the other lavender rose given to me is pink with lavender tones. And the idea of all red on the arch just reminded me of a hat band in a reverse of the Red Hat Society. Not that there is anything wrong with celebrating being over 50-we earned that hat. It was just not the soft look I wanted. Don Juan stays be cause my dad planted him and frankly he has a lot of very happy Doc Huey under the side walk that I know I would be haunted by if I tried to move him.

So after saying I wanted no stripes and red with lots of scent, I fell in love with a Raspberry Cream Twirl who clashes perfectly with most everything tall in the bed. But she has wonderful flexible green canes with no thorns and from the right seat I can enjoy her with the Sweet Chariots and what ever that pink rose happens to be.

I did get Rhode Island Red (Fields of the Wood) for the main garden and her blooms are incredible, although kind of rare since she is still a baby.

Noella Nabonnand does have fabulously clean foliage and is in my Nabonnand court with a persimmon tree to climb.

And Cramoisi Superieur is in the garden as of just a few months ago.

If I had the energy and a spot for them, the Neptune's and Ebb Tide would move some where else. You would never know Ebb Tide was there so that just leaves the Neptune's and mom loves them....

Don Juan is now part of the HT's for mom to cut and bring inside

where did you get Rhode Island Red, Kip?

I got it as Fields of the Wood from Rogue Valley it is covered in new growth and about 24" tall as a mound right now

I'm going to stick to my vote for 'Orfeo'. Mine granted me only five blooms in 2014 (its second year), but continued to focus on growing. It's now well into a tree, and I look forward to its anticipated "leap" in 2015, its third year. The blooms from 2014 smelled just like those of its grandparent, 'Crimson Glory'.

:-)

~Christopher

It is really, really hard to match different reds. For that reason alone Fourth of July might be a good choice. The stripy-ness might dilute the clashing.

Rosefolly

Ah, I forgot this was meant to be planted next to another red climber.

:-)

~Christopher