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Spring 2024 Grow Lists

Rebecca (7a)
3 months ago

Tomatoes first. Dreaming of that first one that I eat straight off the vine, standing in the yard. Most of these are extremely disease resistant hybrids, in hopes that they will survive the endemic viral and fungal diseases in my little city yard. Starting to be convinced that the 6 foot privacy fence is severely hampering air flow.


Baxters Bush Cherry

Porter

Mountain Magic

Bush Early Girl

Early Girl Plus

Fourth of July

Big Beef Plus

Bush Goliath

Floradade

Dixie Red

Amelia

Defiant

Bella Rosa

Phoenix

Creole


Onions:

Superstar

Candy

TBD - any ideas?


Leeks:

whatever Dixondale sends to the store


Peas:

Super Sugar Snap

Cascadia


Potatoes:

Red Norland

Yukon Gold

At least one french fingerling variety, depend depending on what I can find thar will ship at the right time. Anyone have any ideas where to order from? Hoss is in Texas.





Comments (57)

  • hazelinok
    3 months ago

    Kim, that's a great list. I especially like your herb and flower lists.

    What is listed below comfrey?

    Also, if you're sharing any plants at the SF or even a couple of seeds, I'm interested in St. John's Wart, tarragon and stevia.

    If you can get your calendula going, you'll really like it. I planted several around, here and there. I kid you not....the ones on the east side of my house are still alive even after single digit temperatures! They don't look great, but they're alive.

    Also, some of the ones that looked mostly dead from the summer heat, bounced back in the fall. I am hoping I have a lot of offspring from both the calendula and chamomile.


    How do you use rose mint?

  • Rebecca (7a)
    Original Author
    3 months ago

    I’m going to have to see what herbs survive the cold. Last year I had 2 rosemary, and 1 pot each of thyme, mint, chives, and lemongrass that came back from last winter. Since I couldn’t get back there before to cover anything, or move the pots againt the house, I don’t know yet what I’ll need to start over with. I had a shrub of parsley before it froze.


    Anyway, I always have:

    rosemary

    mint

    chives

    garlic chives

    curly parsley

    cilantro

    dill

    lemongrass

    thyme

    basil


    I haven’t ordered basil seeds yet. They’re on the list with the flowers.


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    Under comfrey is cumin as in black cumin seed. It’s medicinal. Rose mint is agastache for tea. Rebecca I have a variety of basil seeds including my mystery mix which includes lemon ,Thai, globe, genovese. I will be growing out some of everything for the fling. In my stash is sweet, blue, large leaf, purple, lemon, lime.

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    I grew Baxter in 2019 and it was one of my best producers. It even volunteered the following year and did well.

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    Jen what is Baxter

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    I can’t eat peppers so I am not growing any this year. Not even for fun.

  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago

    I just lost my post. Going to go pout a bit.

  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago

    The tomatoes were easy since we are growing fewer. I still may have to cut 2 of them. I will start more, because I always give some away.


    Tomatoes

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  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago

    The cool season greens.

    I have this vague plan of putting colorful greens in pots in front then replacing them with some colorful summer plants, maybe Swiss Chard. And later colorful kale. We'll see. The front pots depend on Ron to water them. He's not very consistent.


    Greens

    arugula, Astro

    Celtus, Green Mountain

    Chijimisai

    Claytonia

    chicory, ZUCCHERINA DI TRIESTE

    cress, PERSIAN

    ESCAROLE CASQUE D'OR

    Ethiopian Kale

    Green Full Heart Corn Salad

    komatsuna, Greenboy

    Komatsuna, Old Tokyo

    Komatsuna, Red

    komatsuna, Summer fest hybrid

    Mache, Dutch Vit

    MÂCHE ‘NORTH HOLLAND'

    Mâche, Verte de Cambrai

    Misome

    Pak Choi - Da Hong Summer - Hybrid.

    Pak Choi - Da Hong Winter - Hybrid

    Pac Choi, Purple Magic

    Pac Choi, Red Violet Hybrid

    salad burnet (perennial)

    spigarello lisca broccoli

    Spigariello Riccio

    Yokatta-Na F1


    Swiss Chard

    Bietola a Costa

    Bionda Di Lyon

    Lucullus

    Perpetual Spinach

    Pot of Gold Chard

    Silverado

    Special Baby Leaf

    Umaina Japanese

    Verde De Taglio


    Spinach

    Abundant Bloomsdale

    Bloomsdale Longstanding

    Catalina Baby leaf

    Sea side



    Kale

    Casper

    Dazzling Blue Kale

    Homesteaders Perennial Kaleidoscopic Kale Grex

    Nero Di Toscana Cabbage

    Olympic Red

    Ornamental Fringed Mix Kale

    Prism F1

    Red Ursa Kale

    Scarlet Kale

    Sutherland

    Starbor Kale F1

    Tronchuda

    Willem's Blauwe Groninger Kale



    Collard

    Cascade Glaze

    Even' Star Land Race

    Georgia Cabbage CollardsVariegated Collards

    Whaley’s Favorite Cabbage Collards

    Yellow cabbage collards

  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago

    Ron wants to do a 3 Sisters garden this year. I was going to break new ground for it, but then decided that wouldn't happen. So, 2 8x4 beds to corn beans and squash. I haven't decided which bean to use yet.


    Mesquakie Indian corn

    Cherokee Little Cornfield bean

    Rattlesnake bean

    Cherokee trail of Tears bean

    Kentucky K9Wonder beans

    Old Timey Cornfield pumpkin

    Seminole pumpkin

    roselle (one on the end)



    Other Things


    Carrots

    Autumn King Carrot

    Chantenay Red Cored Carrot

    Danvers 126

    Little Finger

    Napoli

    Parisian (round)

    Scarlet Nantes

    St. Valerie


    Beets

    Crosby’s Egyptian Beet

    Robin


    Turnips

    Boule d'Or Turnip

    Just Right F1 Turnips

    Micado

    Oasis Turnip

    Pastel Duo Turnips

    White Egg

    RAPUNZEL


    Broccoli

    Burgandy

    Piracicaba

    Purple Peacock sprouting

    Umpqua


    Cabbage

    Gonzales

    Napa, baby, Little Jade

    Napa,Purple Express

    Pixie


    Cucumbers

    Ashley Cucumber

    Ark Little Leaf

    Beit Alpha

    Boston Pickling

    Bush Slicer

    County Faire

    Cross Country Pickling

    Diva


    Didn't someone recommend Cross Country Pickling?

    I don't think I had any production from Boston.


    Lettuce too many going to have to cut this back more.

    Australian Yellow Looseleaf

    Black seeded Simpson

    bronze arrowleaf

    Brown Goldring

    BUTTERCRUNCH LETTUCE

    Chadwick's Rodan Lettuce

    CIMMARON

    Cracoviensis Leaf Lettuce

    Crawford bib

    Drunken Woman Lettuce

    Garden Babies

    Hyper Red Rumple Waved

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    Landis Winter Lettuce

    Mayan Jaguar

    Merveille De Quatre Saisons Butterhead Lettuce (OG)

    Outredgeous

    Red Tinged Winter Leaf Lettuce

    RED VELVET LETTUCE

    Rouge D'Hiver

    Schweitzer's Mescher Bibb Bibb (Butterhead)

    Simpson Elite Lettuce


    Okra

    Stewart Zeebest

    White Velvet Okra


    Roots

    Arat Rooted Parsley

    Polish Rooted Parsley

    MAGRES RUTABAGA

    Mammoth Sandwich Island Salsify


    Ron wants to grow peas in pots on tomato cages. All my peas are short ones.

    Peas

    Burpeeana early

    Green Arrow peas

    Little Crunch Snap Pea

    Little Marvel pea

    PARSLEY PEA

    Petit pois

    Tom Thumb

    Wando

    willet's wonder




  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago

    Ron will buy mints and stuff as transplants, what ever he fancies. I want to put perennial herbs in the bed adjoining the asparagus. Ron forgets things are perennial and tears them out, so they may go in pots. That would give me a bed for bush beans.

    Herbs
    CUTTING CELERY
    Borage
    Calendula, Resina
    Nepitella
    Catnip
    Chives
    chives, garlic
    cilantro
    CLEOME SERRULATA
    Comfrey, from Dawn's plant
    dill, Dukat Strain
    Mammoth
    Greenthread
    Rock Hyssop
    Greek Mountain Tea
    Lemon Balm
    Lime Balm
    Majoram, Sweet
    BLUE MALLOW
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    Papalo
    Dark Green Italian parsley
    Evergreen Parsley
    Gigante d’Italia Parsley
    Red Plantain
    Plantain - Variegated
    Quilquina (Bolivian Coriander)
    Pepicha
    BUCKLER SORREL
    Savory, Summer
    BALKAN MOUNTAIN TEA
    Mad dog Scullcap
    Thyme
    Ayelet Thyme
    Valerian Official (Valeriana officinalis)
    Witch Hazel
    White Yarrow Yarrow
    Wild Bergamot
    Broadleaf Sage


    I have seeds for all of that. What makes me think I can do all that? Sigh.

  • Kim Reiss
    2 months ago

    That is soooooo much Amy. But it sounds wonderful.

  • hazelinok
    2 months ago

    Wow, Amy. I'll come back tomorrow to digest all of this! Love it.

  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago

    Kim. I decided to PLAN what I wanted. I know it won't all happen, partly because I don't have room for it all. But, I usually only plant one or 2 of each variety in order to see if I like them. When I did it all, I planted close together and made a jungle. Ron likes to put down weed cloth, which limits how close you can plant.

  • Kim Reiss
    2 months ago

    I have big plans too. After losing two gardens to grasshoppers and last year: (. I need a decent year. Is not going to be the prettiest. Everything will be covered with insect netting. I am going to try to plant one herb in each pot with my veg.

  • slowpoke_gardener
    2 months ago

    Madge and I say "we don't need more than 12 tomatoes", we have never stopped at 12 tomatoes, we both went to school in Arkansas, I guess we never learned the 3 R's.


    I am working on big plans on winter squash and sweet potatoes, of course I plan on having okra, onions, peas, and cucumbers. I would like to grow some spices and other stuff like that. If the spring fling is within 150 miles of Ft. Smith, and any of y'all would like something special, and if I have the seeds I well start extra plants, I always start more than I have room for anyway.


    I can look out side an still see snow on the north side of the shop, and we are now up to 30 degrees, I feel another heat wave coming.

  • Kim Reiss
    2 months ago

    Larry I hope we can do the spring fling close to you and Madge. It would be so awesome to meet y’all in person. I hope to start herbs and flowers to share. I just picked a bunch of seeds out of my stash. When I get back from Lubbock I am going to get a load of compost. I want to mix my own potting soil. I have about 25 tubs to fill. I think it’s going to be a great year

  • slowpoke_gardener
    2 months ago

    Kim, I need to get some compost also. With no cattle on the place, I lost my compost material. I think I can still buy it in Ft. Smith for around $75.00 per yd., that I think is a little steep but my biggest problem is unloading it.

  • Kim Reiss
    2 months ago

    Larry I have not figured out how I am going to haul compost in my minivan. I thought about taking the seats out and putting a giant tarp in there. And then I thought maybe my mineral tubs would hold it up. I think it’s $45 for 3 yd.³ I can’t envision how much that is may be part of a pick up bed load. Right now I am going through some seeds oh my favorite thing to do and I found so many Porter seeds so I am going to plant extras and hope they do well I can bring them to the spring fling. I’ll grow out about 20 or more and save back four for myself

  • slowpoke_gardener
    2 months ago

    Kim, if you are talking about 3 cubic yards, there is no way I would try to haul that in a mini van, try to find someone to haul it with a truck. Some times the compost is wet, and it is always nasty, it will make a bigger mess in your van than the compost is worth. I have never hauled more than 2 yards at a time, and that was in a trailer that was larger than a pickup bed. My mineral tubes hold a little over a 2.8 cu.ft. potting soil, but most of the time I use some kind of filler to use up some of the space.


    It looks as though you have a good supply of seeds, I have too many seeds, I doubt that I can use all of them. But I am a seed addict.

  • Rebecca (7a)
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    Amy, im in awe. We should all get together and start stuff for each other. If SF is back at Jen’s, im pretty sure youd do fine there.

  • Kim Reiss
    2 months ago

    Rebecca we are actually talking about doing fling at Webber Falls ok.

  • Rebecca (7a)
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    Kim, im totally down for anywhere like that

  • hazelinok
    2 months ago

    Amy, I've enjoyed looked over your posts. Thank you for posting all of that.

    Here's my lettuce list:

    Red Salad Bowl

    Red Sails

    Paris Island Cos


    and seed I just ordered (new to me)

    Crawford Bibb

    Sweet Valentine

    Simpson Elite


    Amy, I noticed that Crawford is also on your list. Have you grown it before?

    Simpson Elite was once tied to Monsanto, so it feels a bit creepy, but I ordered it anyways. I'm just looking for slow bolters and varieties that can handle our hot days for as long as possible.


    I also enjoyed looking at your heat greens. I've also found that Malabar isn't that yummy. Maybe cooked, but not in a cold salad.


  • Rebecca (7a)
    Original Author
    2 months ago

    So other than tomatoes…


    Peas:

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    Sugar Daddy

    Sugar Ann

    Cascadia


    Beans:

    Jade Bush

    Maxibel Bush (maybe)

    Contender

    Tavera

    Kentucky Wonder pole

    Blue Lake pole


    Pole beans assuming I get the trellises up lol


    Cucumbers: (my nephew’s favorite vegetable, so I grow a few each of multiple varieties)

    Beit Alpha

    Pointsett

    General Lee

    Supremo

    County Fair Improved

    Carolina

    Ashley

    Suyo Long

    LittlevLeaf


    If I have room and want to fight the squirrels for them:

    Honey Rock cantaloupe

    Bush Sugar Baby watermelon


    Seeds winter sown for:

    scarlet nantes carrots

    Ruby Queen beets


    Debating a couple Baby Bubba okra plants too. Space.



  • slowpoke_gardener
    2 months ago

    I don't see how you people have the time of apace to grow all the stuff you plant. I have always been too slow and lazy to do that. my hat is off to you.


    I want to try the Malabar spinach, I have the seeds, but have read so many times that it is not tasty, I have not tried it. I have not tried sweet potato greens either, so that needs to go on my bucket list.

  • hazelinok
    2 months ago

    What cucumber does best for you, Rebecca?

    For this year, I'll do a couple of Armenian, the Persian ones that I love so much, and maybe a few from a seed packet that was sent to me for free....Marketmore.

  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago

    Jennifer, I've grown Simpson Elite, and liked it. I like Black Seeded Simpson a lot, I keep viable stock of both. A woman I'm aquatinted with grew Crawford's in San Antonio last year and told me the story of it coming to Texas from Tulsa. OF COURSE I have to try it! My favorite lettuce is Chadwick's Rodan. It over wintered (or self seeded?) One year, it's quite hardy. I originally bought it from Baker Creek. Then they quit carrying it, but this year it was back. I really should save seed, but I usually have lots of varieties growing that might cross.

    Thanks Rebecca. We need to plan a lunch... Or dinner in Tulsa. If any one wants seeds or starts of something I've listed let me know. I may be limited on early starts, my brother is living in my plant room.

    Larry, Malabar spinach is a pretty plant, whether you like to eat it or not. I didn't care fore it raw. It is like okra, has that mucilage. It would be fine tossed in soup or something that needed the thickening. Personally I've never much cared for okra in soup. But some people do.

    I found my Italian Swiss Chard at a new vendor. Also bought 2 kinds of Italian pole beans. Both recommended by Dawn in the post I bumped up. I'm afraid I'll loose this post if I look for the names, so I'll come back and tell you.

  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago

    Garrafal Oro Rampicante, I bought this on Amazon for a ridiculous price, but seeds of Italy was sold out and the other place was sold out. It's confusing because these were described as black beans, when the picture clearly shows brown.


  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago

    The other was Smeraldo - Romano Pole Bean Northern Italy. The vendor was Heirloom seed store. I am assuming these will be like the Italian green beans Ron used to buy and my kids all hated. (I get points for buying something he likes.) I have too many bush and pole beans, and i want to grow PEPH, too. I have to remember to get inocculant.

  • slowpoke_gardener
    2 months ago

    Amy, I think you have talked me in to planting the Malabar spinach. I have grown something that was sort of slimy like okra, I think it was Jute, I am sure it may have another name, but I don't know what it is. The best I can remember the jute was a very tall plant, 6' or more sort of bushy hike a cedar tree, the wind blew it down and when I tried to chop it up with the mower I had more of a ball of string than I did grass clippings.


    I don't remember ever inoculating pea seeds, I know that it is said to be best to do that, I have bought pea seeds that already had a coating on them, and could have already been inoculated.


    I think that I planted some pole Romano bean seeds a year or two ago, but I did not get what I wanted. I was hoping to get something like the Roma 2 bush bean, but that was not what they were. The Roma bush bean I love, but they are so low and hard to pick.


    Madge bought some great cucumber seeds last year, they were small, smooth, and crunchy, I think they were the best cucumbers I have eaten, I don't remember the name of them, but I ask her to order more seeds. She sprayed her 4 plants with glyphosate by mistake, of course that was the end of her cucumbers.

  • Rebecca (7a)
    Original Author
    2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    HJ, I’ve found a bunch that do well here. I have to be careful to grow disease resistant varieties, especially for powdery mildew and mosiac virus. Most everything I put in my grow list works really well. I do succession plant them because PM or fungus tends to get them sooner rather than later. Marketmore should work great for you, I think I’ve done it in the past.


    I also love romaine lettuces for here, to butt in on your question for Kim. Rouge d’Hiver and Marvel of the Four Seasons, and Parris Island. Romaine seems to last a bit longer in the heat, especially if I can shade it.

  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago

    Lost my post twice, not doing it again. Waving hi!

  • hazelinok
    2 months ago

    Sorry about the disappearing posts, Amy. My experiences aren't that they disappear, but are invisible to everyone but me. Sometimes.

    Thanks for the lettuce info. I do like a good lettuce. Just any 'ol lettuce won't do. lol

    On the SESE website, I read about the Crawford Bibb and that is why I chose it. I'll look into Chadwicks for the winter.


    Rebecca, I like the Parris Island variety too. It's on my list for this spring. Rouge D'hiver is one I do in the fall. I think it translates to "winter red". Usually for fall I'll do Winter Density and Rouge D'Hiver. I mixed it up this year and Rick brought over some lettuce plants too. I have no idea if any survived the single digits as I haven't been to the hoop house in a week.

  • HU-422368488
    2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    Just got my seed orders in , here goes :

    Cowpeas:

    Knuckle Purple Hull

    Pinkeye purple Hull

    Okra:

    Perkins Mammoth Long Pod Okra

    Clemson Spineless 80

    Beans :

    Black Coco

    Contender

    Dixie White Butter Pea Lima

    Dr Martin's Pole Lima ( sort of looks like the ol fashion "Butter Beans" )

    Jacobs Cattle

    Light Red Kidney

    KENTUCKY WONDER

    Black Turtle

    Spinach:

    Space Hybrid

    Bloomsdale Long Standing

    Swiss Chard:

    FORDHOOK GIANT

    Kohlrabi :

    DELICACY WHITE

    Lettuce :

    SIMPSON ELITE

    GREEN SALAD BOWL

    Tried to get " North Pole" for next winter but it sold out already.

    Corn:

    BODACIOUS Sweet Corn

    Dent - Truckers Favorite Yellow Field Corn

    Carrots:

    NAPOLI

    Atomic Red

    Rutabaga :

    Laurentian ( a new one on me)

    Turnips:

    Shogoin

    Purple Top

    Green Peas:

    Wando

    Radishes:

    Champion

    I also got seed left over from last year ; Kale ( Dwarf Siberian , Collards ( Morris Heading , Georgia Southern ) , Mustard ( Southern Curled) , Beets ( Detroit Red) , Rutabaga ( American Purple Top)....... assortment of other things...shell beans.........

    About tomatoes:

    I usually get plants of the Beef Steak types ( hybrid) : Beef Steak, Big Beef , Super Fanastic,

    also : Early Girl , Better Boy , Rutgers, Homestead , Celebrity

    Black toms: Black Krim , Black Prince , Cherokee Purple,

    Other Heirlooms : Mortgage Lifter , Arkansas Traveler , Box Car Willie

    I'll try Porter this year if I see it around.

    Potatoes ;

    I usually get Red Pontiac ( or Red La Sota or both) and Kennebec,

    I'll get some Yukon Gold too.

    Onions :

    I won't bother listing them out right now but I usually get a few bundles each of whatever Dixon Dale varieties that the feed store gets in. I tend to go heavy on Candy , Yellow Granex and Texas Super Sweet.

    About brassicas:

    I usually get whatever plants are in the stores:

    Broccoli ( Lieutenant , Green Magic....)

    Cauliflower ( Snow White...)

    Cabbage ( Bonnies Hybrid , Copenhagen , Early Flat Dutch , New Jersey Wakefield....)


    About squash and cucumbers: I just get whatever transplants are available in the stores . Yellow straight neck , yellow crook neck , zuchanni , slicing cukes...

    I guess that's it.

    Oh my.

    Rick

  • Kim Reiss
    2 months ago

    Another great growing list. I didn’t list all my varieties. Typing on my phone is tedious.

  • slowpoke_gardener
    2 months ago

    I don't see how you all can grow that many plants, I couldn't even keep up with that many.

  • HU-422368488
    2 months ago

    Well I just start up the Mantis.


    Rick


  • slowpoke_gardener
    2 months ago

    Rick, do you always run the gas out of your Mantis? I dont use mine much and it really gets hard to start. I have a new carb to install on it, hoping that will help, also bought a gal. of premixed fuel, man, that stuff is expensive. It seems to be a full time job to keep my junk running.

  • HU-422368488
    2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    Larry , I empty the gas out of the tank and stroke it a few times trying to clear out the carb when I put it up for the winter.

    I had to replace carb last spring.

    Sometimes it helps to spray some carb cleaner into the carb , stroke it a little and let it sit for a while.

    I mix my own gas/oil .

    Rick

  • slowpoke_gardener
    2 months ago

    Rick, thanks, I will start doing the same. When I bought my first tractor my tillers got less use, and started giving more problems, of course they were also getting older.


    I finally got my soil test beck, everything is within range, P and K still too high, but it has been too high for years. The PH test are in my email, but I think they range from 5.7 to 6.5 in the 3 gardens. I am close enough to start working soil as soon as things dry out some. I had better get on the ball checking seed supplies.

  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago

    Rick, what is the difference between knuckle purple hull and pink eye purple hull? I may have asked before, but I forget.

    We have some varieties in common. I once vowed to plant only Napoli carrots because they are the only ones that produce for me. Nelson did, but I can't find it now. I did figure out Napoli has a shorter DTM than the others I tried, so maybe I didn't leave them long enough. This year I have a couple meant for containers.

    We put in purchased kale and collard transplants in the fall. Ron covered them with frost cloth and they survived the freeze!

  • HU-422368488
    2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    Amy ,

    Knuckle is a crowder type brownish in color and a little plumper that Pink Eye.

    Pink Eye is more like a small bean shape and has that little "black eye" in the middle.

    There's a slight difference in the taste between the two.

    https://tomorrowseeds.com/products/knuckle-purple-hull-cowpea

    https://whitwamorganics.com/products/cow-pea-pinkeye-purple-hull

    For carrots I was wanting to try " Kuroda Improved" but it sold out pretty quick


    Collards and kale are pretty cold tolerant especially when covered. More so than anything else aside from spinach , garlic . I think collards are even tougher than kale.

    Rick

  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago

    I have grown Kuroda. If memory serves, it is one with a longer DTM than Napoli and didn't impress me. Maybe if I had let it go longer. Think 10 days makes a big difference in carrot size?

  • HU-422368488
    2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    Amy,

    I noticed you have salsify in your seed list.

    I've done salsify a couple of times. Last time was 2011.

    Almost ordered some seed but thought I had enough to manage.

    It is something different , sort of like trying parnips.

    Suppose to taste like oysters.

    What were your experiences with it?

    https://www.farmersalmanac.com/what-the-heck-is-salsify

    https://www.southernexposure.com/products/sandwich-island-mammoth-salsify/

    Might just talk myself into ordering some seed.


    Oh , and about corn salad ( mache').

    I tried some "Vit" last year for the fall/winter , I wasn't impressed.

    By the time it got big enough to harvest it was in the way of the spring plantings.

    Rick


  • AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
    2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    To be honest, I've not gotten a good crop of "vit" before either. Probably needs a container home. I've never grown salsify before. I bought seeds once but I think I found they aren't viable for long...like parsnips. I did grow parsnips a couple of years, but the last time they had bumps all over them which i decided was root knot nematode. I grew rooted parsley with the parsnips and I really liked that. The parsley leaves are slightly stronger tasting than annual parsley, but the root is good roasted or in soup. It tastes Iike parsley. i plan to put the salsify in a bag or container. The Rapunzel listed in with the turnips on my list is another odd ball root crop i got suckered into, lol. I'm going to post this before i loose it, but I'll come back with a link to it.

    https://www.farmacieisolde.com/curiosities/rapunzel

  • Kim Reiss
    2 months ago

    What is vit ???

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