Help with cabinet stain (warm or cool) and white or off-white uppers!
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Conflicting information re warm or cool whites
Comments (17)One person at the SW call in color experts stated it was fine with the correct lighting and the other said no as extra white is a cool white and divine white is a warm white. I know there is no umber in the extra white but I thought it was one of those colors that went with anything. "White" paint colors aren't white. They're all colors and each belongs to a hue family. All of them. And just like more chromatic (or colorful) colors, the basics of color relationships to create harmonious color schemes still apply. It gets super challenging when a paint color is so close to a "true" white that it's hard to detect any hue at all in order to distinguish what hue family it belongs to. The same can be said for gray and black. When paint colors are so near a true neutral gray or black, it's really hard to identify hue family. Color relationships and schemes hinge on hue family, right? So if you don't know the hue family, it's impossible to purposefully coordinate colors. Colors of white, however, have an extra, added challenge. When the chromaticity (amount of colorfulness) is super low, the tiniest differences (in hue, value and chroma) matter a lot. I'm going to use three colors as an example: Sherwin Williams' Pure White, Extra White and Ceiling White. They all belong to the Green-Yellow hue family. Seriously, they do. Not kidding. Take a look at the numbers: 7005 PURE WHITE Hue 0.87GY - Value 9.3676443 - Chroma 0.327977538 7006 EXTRA WHITE Hue 5.11GY - Value 9.448748589 - Chroma 0.224431425 7007 CEILING WHITE Hue 9.12GY - Value 9.297595978 - Chroma 0.222947001 Don't panic. The image attached below plots these differences on a color wheel: -Pure White has the most chroma and its position within the hue family, 0.87GY, is closest to the neighboring hue family, Yellow. -Extra White is in the middle in terms of both the amount of chroma as well as its position, 5.11GY, in the Green-Yellow hue family. -Ceiling White has the least amount of chroma. Therefore, it looks the most "grayed" and "cool". Plus, its position of 9.12GY means it is very close to the neighboring Green hue family. When you compare Pure White to Ceiling White, Pure White will look "warmer" than Ceiling White. Again, Pure White is close to the Yellow hue family and Ceiling White is close to the Green hue family - which explains why Pure White will look warmer. Looking at the image below, it makes perfect sense, doesn't it? As you might imagine, comparison and context is crucial when it comes to colors of white paint. Next, let's take a look at Divine White: 6105 DIVINE WHITE Hue 1.36Y - Value 8.870009422 - Chroma 1.16972518 It belongs to the Yellow hue family. It's position of 1.36Y means that it is very near the Yellow-Red (or orange) hue family. So it is indeed a "warm" white and will likely show as "warm" in most contexts. Divine White's chroma is more than 1 and that indicates that seeing some chroma or colorfulness should be pretty easy. If you can pull a chip to look at it, you'll see this is true. So, what about Divine White and Extra White together? 6105 DIVINE WHITE Hue 1.36Y - Value 8.870009422 - Chroma 1.16972518 7006 EXTRA WHITE Hue 5.11GY - Value 9.448748589 - Chroma 0.224431425 They work just fine together and here's why. Extra White's position of 5.11GY means that it is * just close enough * to Divine White's hue family of Yellow to work. Much farther past that point of 5.11 and the color combination of Divine White and Extra White would be iffy at best. Technically, Pure White would be a better choice to go with Divine White because it is closer in proximity to Divine White - but, again, Extra White is close enough and should be perfectly fine. Testing the colors together in the space should easy any worries. If you're still with me, you've probably already put it together that in comparison, ceiling white being so close to the Green hue family, is too far away from Divine White in the Yellow hue family to work well. In summary: - You can find a "white" from every hue family - maybe not from just one paint brand, but they are out there. - Sometimes what matters more than hue family relationships is the white paint color's amount of chroma or colorfulness. The color could be knocked back so close to a "true" white that the factor of hue becomes diluted in context of adjacent colors. It depends. You have to be careful. Your eyeballs might not pick up any trace of hue from the paint chip, but the space's inherent light will "see" it in a test swatch. This is why testing colors in situ is crucial. - Don't ever look at the paint formula to try to determine anything about a paint color because the formula means absolutely nothing. - When it comes to warm and cool, it truly all depends. If someone tells you the "rule" is to not mix warm and cool colors, they are full of crap. Mother Nature mixes warm and cool and so far it seems to be working. A picture is worth 1,000 words....See MoreStain my cabinets light blue? or do White on white on white?
Comments (18)Regrettably, that is not my kitchen. It is one whose colors I tried to replicate, with results so bad (this is how I know how wrong colored stains can turn out) that I had to go another direction completely . The kitchen is by Timeless Kitchen Design. They have a web site and a blog, and even a proprietor -- Kevin Ritter -- who may be able to identify the hardware. For anyone who might yearn to have one of his wonderful kitchens, forum member honeychurch has posted here and on a blog about her experience. The irony is that the photo that so won my heart is actually somewhat distorted from the original, which is slightly warmer in its coloring. Here is a link that might be useful: Timeless Kitchen Design...See MoreOff White Painted Cabinets or Off white with Cocoa Glaze
Comments (7)Your range hood is gorgeous. I think that the off-white glazed cabinets would look stunning with the range hood, i think they would defintely compliment each other. The plain white would look to simple next to that hood. In the magazine picture of the kitchen you posted, those cabinets look white with no glaze and the kitchen has a very crisp, formal look to it. I think the range hood that you picked looks very warm and the cabinets would look beutiful with the glaze....See MoreBacksplash Help - Alaska White Granite, Off White Cabinets
Comments (20)Oh my gosh! I'm reading all of your posts right now to my Hubby so he'll know I'm NOT the only one who can't make a decision on a backsplash! LOL I have the white Alaska granite countertops as well. It has been well over a year and I still can't decide! And although I do love them, it's such a hard decision to match them with a BS! I'm so happy I came across all of your posts. I know your struggles! However, hopefully, by now you have found the perfect backsplash for your kitchen countertops! Please post pictures if you have time. I'd really enjoy seeing some of the choices you have made. Karen backsplash less in Florence, Oregon :(...See Morekandrewspa
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