Earth Angel-- does it take the Heat?

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I've heard many people raving about Earth Angel and a local Nursery is carrying it this spring.
How does it do in long hot summers?
Carla in Sac

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dianela7analabama

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Carla here she doesnt bloom well during the hot summer months but inwouldnt be without her. we do not have cool nights. I hope you try it.

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BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
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Carla

I think Earth Angel is probably decent for a Sacramento summer. Mine repeated decently a few times, and the blooms hold up well in heat. This is ever the more impressive because it was a just a woody knob (no roots) that came from Texas, so it had to grow roots before it even bloomed. The strange thing is that Earth Angel blooms in the Sacramento valley summer , but completely shuts down in the Texas summer...both are in the 90s and 100s. I think it must be the cooiler evenings in Sacramento that allows buds to form, and it makes me think I could try other Kordes roses that were bloomless in the Texas summer..
sautesmom Sacramento
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Thanks so much Ben!

How would you describe the fragrance?
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I recently spoke to K&M roses and he said they got a call from Kordes stating that Earth Angel (and some of the other newly released Kordes roses) were found to have gone vegetative (meaning lots of green growth but not blooms) when grafted onto fortuniana and that he should cease to sell them grafted because of this. I have had this problem with Kordes rose before in my hot South Florida garden. They either go vegetative, or they take years to get going (except for the veranda series, those guys love my garden and bloom like mad). They also tend to form bullheaded flowers in the hot summer which is such a shame as they are one of the few really disease resistant roses that grow and grow in my climate. But dang! No blooms. The ones I've had the most difficulty with were Lion's Fairy Tale, Elegant Fairy Tale (this one finally started blooming after 4 years in the garden, but does produce bullheaded roses in the summer) and Summer Romance. I had the same problem with First Crush that was planted in the ground, but the one in the container did bloom a bit (alas, bullheads all summer long and suffers from tons of die back). I would try growing it own root and see how it does and give it some time because as I said, some just take a while to get going. I'm so sad I have problems with my Kordes roses because I really like them. I just wish they did better in the heat. I'm going to try out some of their Sunbelt series as I was told by Chris, those were bred for the hot south. Savannah is on that list and its on my list as well.
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I think this is could possibly be a magnesium deficiency. My source is "Compendium of Rose Diseases (1983) APS Press. I also wonder if this is not last years leaves getting ready to drop since the Florida growing season probably is not cold enough to make a rose drop all of its foliage in the winter. The new growth looks healthy and vigorous with no signs of distress. Even here in Oregon I see those kind of old leaves in spring on the hardiest roses which did not drop foliage I doubt it to be RMV. All own root roses of this variety sold through 2017 originated from virus indexed mother block from Germany and all own root propagation was from the original stock. No licensed producer used cuttings from budded roses; so while it is impossible to say it does not have RMV, it is unlikely. If you bought the rose locally in Florida it was grown in fields in in Arizona where there is RMV, but it is usually passed on through the root stocks and from infected grafting materials. It typically does not spread to the own root roses unless cuttings were taken from infected plants - from budded plants. I would watch the plants and see if any more mature foliage develops these symptoms, if so, I would think about adding some micro elements to the fertilizer. My guess is these leaves will drop and your rose will look great. Looks like you have a lot of buds coming.
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dianela7analabama
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Ben I think you have a point with the cooler evenings. Remember how well Madame Anisette would bloom for Cori Ann? Same with Summer romance. I think the cooler nights seems to be the answer.

@sautesmom Sacramento

I am not the best to describe scents, but to me it smells very lemony with hints of apple. Definitely a strong citrusy scent. Intensity 3/3.

After posting my comment I went in search of a professional description. I am glad to realize I am wasn’t too off. I definitely can tell the “champagne “ scent which is probably what I think off as apples. I can’t tell the raspberries but again I am not great at telling specifics. Definitely a beautifully scented rose as long as you don’t mind fruity.
sautesmom Sacramento
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Lemony champagne? Oh no sounds like I have to find room for another Rose!!!

LOL

Carla
BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
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Dianela,

Your Earth Angels are truly spectacular! I did think of Cori-Ann and her parade of Kordes roses , I think it was Mme A, Summer Romance and First Crush. Now that I live in an almost identical climate to hers (hot summer Mediterranean), I bought a Mme A and am ready to try her again. When my Earth Angel bloomed in July in California, and did a double take and had to remember which rose I put in that spot!

Carla

I remember EA had a good scent, but I don’t specifically remember what sort, so I’ll take ’lemony champagne’, too!
SoCalGardenNut
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@dianela7analabama, wow, your earth angels are outstanding.

@sautesmom Sacramento, I had 2 Earth Angels, I gave one away. the remaining one has bloomed occasionally, i get a few roses per year and it‘s in the front yard which is full sun.
dianela7analabama
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Thank you BenT. I can’t wait to see how your Kordes do over there. I love how disease resistant many are here but wish they bloomed better. Your warm days and cool nights may be the perfect combination for happy Kordes.

@SoCalGardenNut

Thank you, it is interesting how roses behave so different I’m different areas. I can hear Jeri in my head “location, location, location”.

Even in my yard it is interesting to see how some roses just take to my dense red clay while others resent it and simply refuse to grow.
sautesmom Sacramento
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There were only two left! Good thing I went today!

Carla
dianela7analabama
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@sautesmom Sacramento

Wow those look very very nice. I have mine planted about 2 feet apart to create the illusion of a larger bush but in Cali they may get huge.
BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
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Carla

Those plants look like they are from Green Acres,. I remember last April/May they had Earth Angel plants in bloom for sale. That very much surprised me since I’d never seen blooming EAs at a local nursery before, they offer such a good selection of plants, and at very fair prices.
sautesmom Sacramento
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Hi Ben

Yes! I bought the one on the left. It's possible they would have gotten bigger ones in but you never know! It has buds all over, so I think it'll be good.

I wish I'd been able to see one in bloom!

Carla

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