Last I heard it was sometime in January. I'd contact Palatine directly.

What is a rose “release date”? I’ve heard of release date for recorded music. I think of that as the date when the music first becomes available for sale. I ask because January (as per Aaron) would be an odd time for roses to be first available for sale from Palatine. So I’m wondering if “release date” means something different when applied to roses.

Thanks Aaron, I did email Palatine a couple of days ago, but decided to post that last night b/c I'm getting ready for my next round of cuttings. And of course, Palatine replied today, saying that it will be January, and I'm on the list!

Any idea what they will offer ?

Good question, Kristine...I'm dying to know too! :)

Is it a for sure thing that they will do it ?

I dont know why I should care, I have no room at the Inn. But its nice to browse.

I guess that I should go to the David Austin site and get the codes on anything I might be interested in and be ready to order .

@Kristine LeGault 8a pnw my inn has been rented out for the foreseeable future but that hasn't stopped me. I just look at the plants I already have and wonder if I *really* like them that much. I'd read Plum Perfect was an antique color purple and it's really bright...so it's probably getting replaced by Florence Delattre.

As far as looking at the DA site--they might not have the discontinued ones. I'd suggest looking at helpmefind and under Advanced Search looking at roses bred by David Austin, then looking at all the names that start with AUS (exclude florist roses that are less than 20 years old, because they're still under patent and probably not available in plant form). The AUS section isn't complete, so you might want to look through all 11 pages.

For me, I'm probably not as interested in actually purchasing any from Palatine, although that might change! I'm more interested in knowing what they have, so I can prioritize my cutting project. If anyone has even a ballpark memory of what they have, it would be helpful to me. Also, any list of what you think might be now hard or impossible to find.

I would say discontinued Austins would be ideal for preservation. I think the ones that are continually mentioned are probably worth cutting. Here's a neat list with pictures:

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/3773588/david-austin-discontinued-roses

and one you've probably seen, at

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/4789898/discontinued-austins-what-are-your-thoughts-on-these-roses

I would guess that Evelyn, Cymbelline, Claire Rose, Perdita, and St. Cecilia are all popular ones people will snatch up (if not all of them!). Chaucer is also a parent for many popular DA roses today, so that might be one aspiring hybridizers might want.

I would love to get St. Cecilia!

I think pretty Jessica, Belle story and Potter and Moore could be added to that list.

Palatine told me a few days ago that Evelyn is still under patent, so they can't sell her ;(

Hopefully they'll have some other varieties that are hard to find available.

B, that's odd because we all thought her patent had expired. It shows on HMF that E was patented over 20 years ago. I'll check again. It seems if it had expired, E could be sold under her patent name at least. Diane

I think Palatine is wrong about the Evelyn patent. Helpmefind has this info:

United States - Patent No: PP 8,680 on 12 Apr 1994 VIEW USPTO PATENT
Application No: 07/954,962 on 30 Sep 1992

The patent is in effect for 20 years from the date of the application. I'll check on google.com/patents too. One thing I have found out is that helpmefind is not always reliable on trademarked names.

Ok,, I looked up AUSsaucer on google patents and it had the following info. Note at the bottom that it states the patent is expired and has been expired since 2012.

Application US07/954,962 events

1992-09-30

Application filed by David Austin Roses Ltd

1992-09-30

Priority to US07/954,962

1992-09-30

Assigned to DAVID AUSTIN ROSES LIMITED

1994-04-12

Application granted

1994-04-12

Publication of USPP8680P

2012-09-30

Anticipated expiration

Status

Expired - Lifetime

If you go to this link and scroll down, you can see which roses were offered last time.

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5832396/david-austin-roses-at-palatine

I wonder if they applied for the Canadian patent at the same time they did the u.s.

Oh hmm, sorry for the confusion. I'm not sure what's up, I have no idea how this all works. I've emailed probably close to ten different retailers over the last 3 months, small and larger retailers, and all have said basically the same thing. Some of the smaller retailers (Roses Unlimited, Hortico, Angel Gardens etc) have said they definitely won't have it anymore, but didn't give a reason why besides they're "not allowed to sell it anymore".

Maybe Austin re-instated it or something else.....either way it's a bummer that smaller places aren't allowed to sell it if Austin can't meet the demand themselves.

Here's what Palatine wrote back to me a few days ago:

"If you mean Evelyn we cannot grow this rose. It still has a patent. I hear great reviews - although I have never seen her in person _ I certainly would like to."

Aaron, thanks so much for the links to the old threads regarding Palatine's Austins from last year. I printed out the list of code names, and went to HMF to match all 60 of them with the names we know, while I was making dinner. Very helpful. And I thought it was cool that the lists were in actual alphabetical order of their real names. The only one I couldn't find was AUSire. It's something between The Prince and Tradescant. Figuring it might be a "The" rose, I busted out my most recent Combined Rose List, and looked up several possibilities, but couldn't find any matches. Anyone know who AUSire is?

Just want to give credit where it's due--I think that was @chris209 (LI, NY Z7a)! I appreciate the resource also :)

Susan, is the one you can't find "AUSire"...or is it AUSir, without the "e"? AUSir is Sir Clough

It's definitely out of patent, so that might be it.

John

Fig, no I'm pretty sure it's not Sir Clough. That doesn't work with the alphabetical listing of the roses. DA has a weird selection of code names, sometimes quite similar, even by one letter. I am now acutely aware of this after having typed in 60 code names for Austins into the HMF search! The AUSire has to be somewhere between The Prince and Tradescant. But thanks so much for your effort at helping me!

Susan, I found several places on the web that state AUSire is synonymous with AUSuire, aka The Squire. That designation seems to be mainly used in the UK and Australia. It could be a simple typo promulgated by inadvertent copying of the original mistake, or it may have been intentional, but only in those countries. But AUSire is The Squire :)

https://www.wagnersrosenursery.com.au/products/the-squire

https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/103934703879449323/

https://aroseisaroseisarose.com/2019/09/17/david-austin/ (scroll to the bottom)

http://risingoaks.blogspot.com/2009/11/forest-living-fall-roses-2009.html (scroll down to the red rose)

There are many more, those are just the first four mentions I came across

EDIT: here's an entry from the semi-official "The Guide to Who Grows What", the UK version of The Combined Rose List. Click on "READ". Go to the bottom of page 47, left hand column, last entry: https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/3311620/the-guide-to-who-grows-what-roses-uk 

Fig, thanks! I was going only off of the list (linked above) of the code names for the 60 Austin roses Palatine sold last year. What they have listed as AUSire is indeed The Squire... thanks so much for finding that! When I scrolled through the hard copy of the CRL last night, I went by The Squire b/c I was looking for AUSire as the code name. After seeing your comment, I checked both HMF and the CRL, and found that they both have The Squire listed as AUSquire. Thanks so much for your help with this! The Rising Oaks link has it as AUSquire.

Susan, actually, Rising Oaks has it listed as "Ausire (aka (Ausquire)". The AUSquire, with the "q", is different yet again, and I suspect just a typo.

Edit: lol...the extra "s" was MY typo

Fig, right on the "aka" on the Rising Oaks website. But it was the only one with AUSquire in the links you provided. Both HMF and the CRL have it as AUSquire. I didn't see AUSsquire anywhere (with the extra s). Thanks again!