Une rose Française exceptionnelle...
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...for me at least... I've had it before under another name and it will take some time to reach Australian proportions, but with continuous bloom, damask fragrance, virtually thornless, I'm not complaining today...
'Marie Nabonnand'...
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Comments (2)Bonjour, Nouvellement instricte sur ce site je parcours tous les messages Je n'ai pas etoile de Hollande Clg par contre voici la description que j'ai trouvé chez : Pépinieres Francia Thauvin Domaine de Cornay 45590 ST CYR EN VAL (Loiret) Tel. 02 38 63 85 23 Fax : 02 38 63 87 37 E-mail : francia-thauvain@wanadoo.fr "Les Roses Anciennes André Eve" ZA Morailles 45308 Pithiviers cedex (Loiret) T : 02 38 30 01 30 F : 02 38 30 71 65 email : info@roses-anciennes-eve-com Un grand classique, parmi les meilleurs par sa végétation, robustesse, floribundité et remontée exceptionnelle en autronne fleurs doubles rouge écarlates très parfumées je ne connaissais pas mais je suis tentée A bientot...See MoreAnyone else growing "Nouveau Monde"?
Comments (21)OK! I started a round of cuttings from just three roses, which I can easily tell apart without labeling. I ordered simple stick-labels, which should be coming in the next few days, so then I'll be able to take cuttings of others -- including 'Nouveau Monde'. As soon as I know how many I have that have rooted, I'll post the count in this thread. But it might not be for a month or two. I'll pass them on to anyone willing to pay for shipping. Mine still has buds that haven't opened yet, but I wonder how many will survive all the heavy rain we've gotten and will continue to get for the next few days. :-) ~Christopher...See MoreReine de Violette Color and Bloom Size
Comments (30)That did occur to me also, Christopher. But the description was written by Charles Lemaire, an eminent botanist, who vouches that the illustration is an accurate depiction of the rose. That same illustration is then referred to in the same German publication that says the rose has a red center and no thorns. I think that's weird, but I also think it points to the primary source as being considered reputable. And it seems unlikely to me that the description and illustration would be published without feedback/ correction from the breeder, given that this was a cultivar being advertised for sale for the first time. And the publisher of L'Illustration horticole was also selling the rose- introducing it in Belgium. If you can find a retraction or correction, that would indeed be of interest. But assuming that you doubt the original description, the question is: does the modern version of RdV have a red or crimson center? No- so far as I can see, it has a white or whitish center. So either you go with the very first description and illustration introducing a red-thorned 'RdV' to the world, or you go with the thornless rose with the red or crimson center. Neither of these early descriptions quite fit what is in commerce today. At this point, I'm mostly curious about why RdV disappeared to the point that her absence was lamented in the 1904 Journal des Roses, but she is now one of the more famous of the old rose cultivars. I think it is a false assumption that RdV has been popular and available continuously since her introduction in 1860. I want to search American catalogs (or any catalogs, but I seem to mostly only have access to American ones via the Biodiversity Heritage Library) to see who carried it and when. I know that Peter Henderson Nursery of NYC carried RdV from 1872-1880 (and possibly before, but the earliest catalog I find is 1872). Her absence from other catalogs is remarkable. She is also listed in the 1880 Baudriller catalogue (Angers, France). I'm hoping to get a better feel for who liked her, who sold her, did she really disappear and- if so- when did her 20th C. revival begin, and who began it? If anyone knows of a free online source for old British/European nursery catalogs, I'd appreciate a heads up. Virginia...See More
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3 years agoAbsolutely beautiful, Marlorena! Thank you for posting photos of your 'Marie Nabonnand'. I had spotted on HMF the thornless and damask scent facts, and those added to the lovely color more than explain why she's growing in your garden and why she was Jeri's unicorn rose. The thornless aspect is especially nice in a climber. I hate untying and retying armed canes or getting clawed when I pass too close to a rose's personal space, but, truth be told, I'd battle even the thorns of a spinosissima for delicious damask fragrance! I'm dropping a couple of photos into your thread. I've been saving them so I could send you a bouquet across the miles. I hope you are enjoying your garden while we all bugger through this pandemic! We're socially distanced but side by side in spirit. For you: some Austins and antique rose company. Carol
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