How can I hide this unseemly HVAC unit in my laundry room?
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Comments (5)tomylake what is your location? what size is current upstairs system? how did it perform? let me be certain I have the correct picture. current air handler is in crawl space next to basement. supply runs and one return is located in attic? room registers are in ceiling? I would not zone the upstairs. Why? probably not cost or comfort effective? I would make the return modifications. Up to you as to whether leave air handler in crawlspace or relocate to attic. You did say existing system worked fine. You would get better airflow if air handler was relocated. How large is living area in basement? I might consider zoning this area off the main floor system. If you intend to live in this home for the forseeable future, then I would drop the Payne. Either Trane XR15 or Carrier's Performance 15 would be fine as long as they are properly matched with correct air handler. Here are the matches. 3514667 Active Systems XR15 WEATHERTRON TRANE 4TWR5018E1 4TEE3F39A1 20400 13.50 16.25 18400 9.00 905172 Discontinued Systems PERFORMANCE 15 PURON HP CARRIER AIR CONDITIONING 25HPA518A30 FV4BNF002 18000 12.50 15.50 17800 8.30 according to AHRI HP Directory, the Carrier system is discontinued and does not qualify for tax credit. The Trane system above does qualify and has excellent numbers. IMO...See MoreHVAC unit leaking
Comments (5)What do you mean by "...moisture creeping down the walls..."? I really don't see how you can have "too many returns". Most people could use more. One in each room would be ideal, but is expensive so not often done anymore.. I am in your area. A couple of years ago I got estimates for re-doing a 2000 sq ft home with good equipment and all new ducts. The costs were $12-13k. If you are getting new ducts then 15k would not seem unreasonable. 3200 is a lot of house. If your ducts are outside of your house envelope, your moisture problems very likely come due to pressure differentials induced by the AC system. By outside, I mean in the vented attic or crawlspace. What happens is that leaky supply ducts blow air out and at the same time, in other places, moist air is drawn in to replace it. Either that or leaky returns suck air in and it has to be blown out through leaks elsewhere. The wet closets might be near the places where air is being sucked in and hitting cool surfaces causing condensation. Air often leaks in around poorly sealed "vents" and causes condensation too. Your closed-off ducts could have aggravated that problem. Note that "no leaks" might be a relative thing. The investigator might not have found any big leaks, but a typical residential HVAC duct system that age might be losing 20% of its air. Note that the insulation that you have might be great, but that does not speak to air sealing. You can have great insulation and still have a leaky house. Both duct and house envelope leakage can be determined by a blower door test. Another thing that causes high humidity is a system that has more cooling capacity than needed, They short-cycle rather than giving good, long runs that lower humidity better. At this time of year, you are in a period where demand for cooling is low and humidity becomes more of a challenge for even a right-sized system. As a stop-gap measure, you should consider buying one or two portable dehumidifiers. It is also important to monitor your relative humidity levels. Buy two or three electronic thermometer/hygrometers. Check them against each other for accuracy. Your humidity levels should be below 50%. (They should also be above 30%, but I think that you will rarely have to worry about that!) If you can lower your humidity with portable dehumidifiers, you won't save any electricity but you may be more comfortable at a higher temperature setting....See MoreSingle HVAC zoned or two HVACs without zoned system
Comments (27)The biggest problem with HVAC zone systems is knowing when to choose it as a solution and when not to. Some HVAC companies it's about "sell, sell, sell" whether or not it works... there's more money in "sell, sell, sell" --- when it's only about money? So does the comment above mean I do it for free? No. If you think that you are reading things that aren't there. New construction? best to choose separate systems 9 times out of 10. In order for a zone system to work, you have to know what you are doing. Most HVAC companies staff (the techs they send you) are 20-30 year olds. How much practical experience could they possible have? It's best for HVAC zone systems to be an elegant solution. A HVAC zone system is a tool in the tool bag. Not all homes are suitable for zone systems. Some homes there is no other way, and in some cases complications to those problems will make an HVAC zone system design possibly more prone to problems. You have a problem now, do you want more problems. These decisions among others are decided "in person" --- so considering that becareful what information you decide upon from the internet. Just because it's here doesn't necessarily mean it's true. That said: Depending on equipment level chosen, how many different floors you have in your structure, how much room you have available... will all be factors that make you decide one way or another. From there it's in your best interest to pick a contractor that is skilled: especially when it comes to HVAC zone systems. (there's a lot of garbage out there.) (click to enlarge if necessary) I service the Katy, Texas area....See MoreHave you switched from traditional HVAC to Geothermal HVAC?
Comments (19)I'm disappointed that what had at first seemed a very balanced comment was followed by what seems to be misinformation and misdirection. People buy ground source heat pump equipment because they want to and can afford it. Or decide they need to in their locations. They're hugely more expensive than alternatives, which is why they're still not very common. "When’s the payback on a Tesla? People still choose to buy them for reasons other than the ‘bottom line’." Not a comparable. A false analogy. "I would not choose natural gas or propane for reasons relating to the environment, safety, IAQ & paying for yet another utility hookup for an energy source that might not even be used for months on end during the year." What effect having a gas furnace has on indoor air quality. Another hookup? Most people prefer gas cooking appliances and besides, the OP is talking about an existing home, he either has gas service or he doesn't. "Rather than spending perhaps tens of thousands of dollars on a Solar Array, I would sooner invest that same money, hopefully less, in a ground loop for a Geothermal system." Sure you would, that's the business you're in. The ground source heat pump market is not growing as expected by those in the industry, which suggests that your opinion isn't widely held or easily sellable. In many parts of the country, solar panels can have a quick payback. Not so ground source heat pumps. "I often hear about Solar Panels when geothermal is mentioned, as an alternative way to save money by creating energy." In a place like Texas, where electricity is cheap (other than during cold weather crises as they just experienced) there's likely no payback from a solar panel installation. People do it as a personal statement, call it for environmental or other personal reasons. Like buying the Tesla, not a financial decision. An HVAC system blows warm air when it's cold, cool air when it's hot. It's one of those things people don't care about - either it works or it doesn't work. Spending extra money for an exotic system doesn't equate to extra payback when the home is sold. Neither owners, nor visitors, nor people passing by, nor anyone else, concern themselves with what's doing the work. It's equipment that doesn't produce an experience for someone in the house if it's working. In the US, there are vast areas where electricity is cheap. It will remain so for some time. People don't spend money today to potentially save money 10 years out when market conditions may or may be different. I suspect you could build a house with mahogany or teak framing. Or you could paint the framing bright colors. Why bother, you can spend less money and effort and get something else that will do the same job. "We almost never use setbacks at our home - even when going on vacation for weeks on end with no one home, our geothermal just runs." You're combining two different things to produce confusion. Thermostats that have a setback feature ALL are set up to provide lower overnight temperatures to have more comfortable sleeping conditions and then a recovery in the morning before wakeup time. As sleep specialists recommend. That in demand comfort features isn't possible with ground source heat pumps because the warm up period from a setback is too slow to be convenient to use, absent triggering a secondary heating source (like a furnace) to help. THAT'S why you don't "believe" in setbacks with a heat pump - they don't work. Turning down a thermostat during heating season when the home will be unoccupied is not a "setback" as that word is most commonly used. It's done to save money, why heat a vacant house? No setback thermostat is needed, even a dumb 50 year old analog thermostat can be turned down....See MoreD Sutton
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