Do You Have a Water Softener?
Marilyn Sue McClintock
4 years ago
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Do-It Yourself Water Softener Installation?
Comments (8)If you are reasonably handy, yes, you can plumb a water softener. One issue is what type of piping (copper, PEX, CPVC, etc.) to use to make the connections. CPVC is probably the easiest, soldering copper takes a little skill but is doable (it's all in the prep work), and PEX requires tooling that you probably don't have and don't want to buy ($$$). You've run conduit as an electrician, so you should be able to transition to water-based conduit. lol! When you buy the softener, be sure to know what the pipe fittings/connections are going to be. Probably most accept threaded pipe or adapters, some are sweat-soldered. Plan for a bypass valve setup either on the softener or in the supply lines. Do the softeners come ready to install? Most don't, which requires one to assemble a few items and put the resin in the tank. It's not hard. You only need a twin tank softener if you will be using soft water in the middle of the night (when a typical softener regenerates). The computerized on-demand control valves can predict water usage and maintain enough reserve that you won't run out of soft water before the unit regenerates. Do get a softener that regenerates based on gallons of water used (demand type). It will save salt $$ in the long run. A good valve to consider is the Clack WS-1. Just google it for some softener vendors. It has a computer chip that does a lot of nice things for the softener. Fleck has a model to compete with the Clack (Fleck 7000??). A big issue is how big a softener do you need? Most softener vendors figure on 60 to 70 gallons of water usage per day per person. You will have to use some sort of adjustment factor to estimate your dog water usage (based on people). You probably want to bathe the dogs with soft water,but if you can replumb and use hard water for the dog drinking and kennel washdown water, I think you would be way ahead....See Morewater filtration/water softening for well water
Comments (6)Living on a well is different and more complicated than living on a water system. You have to make the water SAFE and then decide whether to make the water NICE. NICE water gives you longer service life for plumbing, appliances, and fixtures and can save you money in soap and detergent use and your clothes will last longer. You need to get a comprehensive water test from an independent certified lab. Labs usually know what to test for in well water in their areas but at a minimum... hardness, iron (ferrous and ferric), manganese, pH, TDS, nitrates, bacteria, sodium, copper, arsenic. With those test results we can intelligently discuss what is in your water, in what amounts, and how best to treat it....See MoreDo water softeners really work?
Comments (6)Reliable brands: Kinetico, Fleck, Clack. Of those, Kinetico is likely to be the most costly, but the company also tends to have well-trained service personnel, unlike most residential softener providers. If you call around, you may find a local, independent dealer that can provide great service. Get several to come out and provide a quote. If you would like a double-check on their recommendations, provide some information here and I'll take a look. To properly size a softener, you need water analysis: hardness, pH, TDS at bare minimum. Better: also analyze sulfates, iron, manganese, nitrates, alkalinity. With city water, the water treatment plant's quarterly water report can be a good place to start. Some people don't soften water to the kitchen sink because they object to the taste of soft water. However, that leaves hardness buildup at the sink, as you noted. If you find the taste objectionable, you can handle this in one or two ways: 1) Run a hard water line to a separate drinking water faucet, 2) Install an RO for drinking water. Some things to watch for when considering softener quotes: The following requirements are for an industry standard softener. If you are looking for a non-electronic softener, Kinetico offers the more reliable options at a premium price (and you would need to deal with a local Kinetico rep). Any decent softener vendor should be able to provide the following: High quality American or German made resin. This will provide a tight size distribution for optimal flow within the resin, longer resin life, and more reliable, predicable water softening. Since you have CITY WATER: 10% crosslinked resin. The oxidizers that city water treatment plants use, such as chlorine or chloramine, are harmful to softener resins. Higher crosslinking will resist chemical attack longer. Top basket. This serves two purposes. It sets up a proper water distribution during normal operation and prevents resin loss during backwash. Gravel underbed. The gravel underbed is there to set up proper flow patterns, improve backwash, keep the bottom basket in place, prevent basket failure, and prevent channeling. Many softener sales companies like to leave this out or sell softeners with a vortex system instead. Vortex systems weigh less than gravel so they cost less to ship. In addition, they are a more expensive item that adds profit for the softener salesperson, but provides no additional benefit to the homeowner . It simply adds another piece of equipment that can break. Fleck or Clack valves. These set the industry standard. Be aware that you will not be able to purchase Clack valves online. This is not a problem if you purchase locally. The valve should regen based on water usage, not time. Install the softener with a three-valve bypass. This will make it much easier if you ever need to remove the softener for repairs or wish to take it with you when you move. Use full-port, quarter-turn valves. Noryl bypass. Most softeners are available with either Noryl or stainless bypass valves. Both are good valves, but the noryl tends to be more reliable when not used for long periods of time. This is a redundancy if you install with a proper three-valve bypass. I prefer a bit of redundancy but it is your call. Brine tank: Although either round or square will work, round brine tanks are more structurally sound and will not deform like a square tank will. Additionally, if you need a softener 1.5 cuft or larger, a square tank will most likely be too small. If you live in a cold climate, ensure equipment is stored in a climate-controlled environment. Frozen softener resin is damaged softener resin. Purchase a Hach 5-B test kit. You will want to periodically check to ensure your softener is working correctly and this kit is your best option....See MoreSelecting a water softener (and this time, I'm gonna do it)
Comments (22)I'm not going to beat this horse much longer... but here's my take on this and it applies to a larger conversation: If an end user wants the benefit of expert knowledge and good service, then by all means I think they should enlist the help of a local water treatment service and expect to pay for that expertise and service. If an end user has reasonably simple needs and is willing to do some research and learn, get his/her hands dirty, and have something that does a "pretty good job" for significantly less money - then an online purchase of a water softener can be an option. I feel like these softeners on Amazon provide a good value, using a good valve and otherwise commodity parts. They offer a higher-quality and better-service alternative to going to a big box store and getting something. However, they shouldn't be measured using the same yardstick as a local treatment expert. What makes me angry are the outfits that charge like they are attorneys, will lecture you about being professionals when they are questioned about the rate, and still not deliver the expertise or service. Case in point is the user on here who was charged $700 to hook up a water softener and they didn't include an air gap in the drain. Also, the man who had lost all of his resin in his kinetico water softener twice after paying big to have it fixed once. RayMO, The feedback from the purchasers of the unit that you purchased has been uniformly very positive - the only negatives were from people who had really unrealistic expectations of the install process. I think that you will be happy with your purchase. I have been really pleased with mine....See MoreJake The Wonderdog
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