Your OP is still there, for what it's worth. You might want to add one more post to it with a link to this new thread, asking people to no longer respond to the original (good luck with that.)

Can you repost the pic of your overall layout on this thread? I'm getting lost as to where the garage is, etc.

In general, I'm all in favor of not having a door/doorway in a corner because of the wasted potential counter space, so I think sliding over the door into the pantry makes sense.

Is there another entrance to the office? Do you have to access it through kitchen -> pantry -> then office? That seems a bit tedious, but you know your movements and needs best.

Are you sure that your sketch of the moved-over fridge plus remaining cabinetry is in scale? I would have thought that you would have lost more cabinet/counter than that.

Don't move it there. Why would you want a traffic path through your kitchen? Also, it would be moved further away from the fridge and pantry where everything would be going.

I'm so sorry. I couldn't find it so assumed it was deleted. Ugh.

It's kind of a 'secret' office idea...lol...I'm thinking of storing lots of wine in there so when people go looking for me....ha.

I think it's to scale.

the original plan also has a traffic path so I was thinking it might be just as well to move it...and this way my cooktop is more centered than before...

the hallway leads to the garage powder laundry stairs and master suite...so yes a lot going on there....but when we are entertaining just the powder room will be accessed and probably more from the dining great room area...

there is another bathroom downstairs [guest suite which is off entry on other side...

here is floorplan. Note the whole left wing will shift back 8' if I change the entrance to the kitchen. Hubby likes the garage not sticking out so much.

note the entry isn't updated to show pantry / office....the pantry is shrinking to 10' wide and 12' deep for pantry and office [shrinking for entry closet as losing the extra hallway to bedroom w/coat closet]....

So now what you will have is major traffic flow through your work zones. There's a reason that beuhl's plan works so well and that's because it doesn't cause congestion in the work zones. What you came up with is a before, not an after. Don't try and fix what works.

cpartist I'm only blocking the sink under window and dishwasher on this plan. On Buehl's plan I am affecting fridge and oven so I'm confused?

I do like that plan I just don't like the entry to the pantry and can't figure out how to solve without losing counter space.

Also on this plan, I could switch double ovens and 36" fridge so fridge is across from prep sink and near cook top...

although farther for folks to get up from table to grab stuff...ugh...it's always something.

I so appreciate help...

do you practice mise en place?

if not your kitchen is too large and spaced out

DE did you like the original one? or do you think that's too large also? Thanks. It's 12x18. with a 4x6 or 4x6.5 island.

Trish

either one is too spaced out imo. if you are cooking a large meal that could be a lot of running around

I'm not sure I understand exactly how you're adding the space for the office, but since you have completely separate prep/cooking and clean-up zones, I think trading one traffic path for the other is fine. In the plan on the left, I moved the left wing back to change the entry (green line), but left the old traffic path through the prep/cooking triangle. The plan on the right shows the new entry/traffic path.

For the record, I think adding the office space just to make sure no one looks into the pantry from the porch is a waste of resources which could be put to better use elsewhere.

Also, in the new plan, I'd have the wall ovens open into the long aisle, rather than overlapping the fridge. I'd omit the narrow drawers/pull-outs on each side of the range, and split the difference between wider drawers:

we are adding square footage for office but subtracting elsewhere so it's a wash. the front porch becomes 14x6 instead of i think 22 or something. the pantry gets 2' narrower so instead of 12' it's 10' but deeper instead of 6' it's 12'. the coat closet off entry will be back of pantry and the hallway coat closet is removed. my elevation didn't look right [everything was off center before] so this all flowed out of that.

yes the garage to master suite would all shift back 8' so the entry isn't that much farther from garage you just enter garage and then are right by the sink window instead of the other side.

we haven't given any changes yet as wanted to throw by you all first...

here's a really rough idea...

sounds like best to leave first way.

any thoughts on moving pantry entrance? thanks.

mamagoose...

not sure where you think double ovens should be in new plan? they are on the long run. Are you saying to move them or not? sorry i don't understand.

and on left and right of cooktop i was thinking the pullouts for spices oils and ladels, etc.

are you saying instead of 12" and 24" do 36" on each side? I could do spices in top drawer on one and ladels, etc. on top drawer of other?

Thanks.

Do you have a revised elevation yet?

(BTW, I really like your master bath/closet layout compared to the last one!)

One idea I have is what if you turn the pantry and office and run them long ways toward the front of the house. You could then have a pocket office off the foyer instead of entering from the pantry. If you leave it like you have it now, I’d open it up to be a one bigger room (think scullery kitchen).

shead. we are still working on it...it's all dependent on what we do with the office/pantry and if we move garage back....so we are close but it looks so much better now that it's more centered [to me at least]...

if i flip the pantry/office lengthwise it defeats the purpose of big window. I could put a door off entry but don't want to lose space in it...

i'll see if i can find hubby's drawing.

" but it looks so much better now that it's more centered [to me at least].. "

What looks better? There's no elevation to see if it looks better or not. Personally, I'm not "seeing" that the exterior will look better, plus bumping out right next to the garage bump out might do some funky things with the roofline in that area.

The more I look at the plan, the more I'd want to move the master bedroom to the right side of the house (unless there's a basement with a walkout on the right end). Where it's at now is going to be a maze to get to from the great room to the master bedroom and there is no great way to move furniture in and out. Getting furniture up the steps to the second floor might also prove troublesome. A plus of this latest plan is that you could have an exterior door right across from the steps so it's a straight shot in from the covered porch and up the steps.

I have a thought.....what if your pantry was between the garage steps and the kitchen?

here's the elevation we have now...

I'm going to be the voice of dissent. I like your proposed changes. I'd rather have a walkway by the cleanup sink than between the refrigerator and sink, and not having the garage jut out so far in the front is probably also good. And I totally need a secret office full of wine (though I admit it might not be the best for resale value to have an "office" that you can only access through the kitchen and pantry unless you make it look more like a legit wine cellar--but even then, a wine cellar with a window is odd).

jslazart yay! lol...

I hear you though it is odd... technically it's more like an extended pantry...I'm just throwing a planning desk in there but there could also be more pantry shelves etc...so resale wise it's a big pantry with a big window maybe? Or I could make the coat closet smaller in entry way so I can put an entry door there if needed but it's small....6x10? Also the guest bedroom could easily be office for resale...if I sell I would stage that as such.

thanks for your thougts as well.

shead glad you like bath...took all the advice from last post [thanks]...

my husband also wants to turn the stairs so we can get a little more closet since we wouldn't need a desk in mud area.... it's basically a spot for me to pay bills and check houzz and pinterest. lol. but that would mess up the run in from outside to stairs...

I like the exteriors that PPF did for you on your last thread better :( Is there a reason why those don't work?

Your new plan is growing on me because it provides a better route to the master bedroom and the garage is not as prominent on the front. You could do a "hidden pantry" door so that the cabinets look like they make the turn between the ovens and the fridge.

One thing I'd do for sure is widen the doorway to the master hallway to at least 42". 36" is pretty tight and since you'll have plenty of cabinetry, you wouldn't miss the 6". 48" would be even better.

Now, because you're gaining room in your pantry, you could get a full depth fridge and recess it into the wall/pantry area. That will save you money and get you more fridge space. Definitely put a spare fridge and/or freezer in the pantry.

I'm not sure how big your family is but we are putting in second dishwasher. Maybe that's something to consider in your kitchen if you have lots of kids and entertain frequently.

I show the wall ovens on both of my posts of your plans. I really like shead's suggestion to recess the fridge into the pantry (I altered the plan on the left, below, to reflect that idea), with a wider island. Yes, I would omit the spice pull-outs in favor of wider drawers--you can divide the wider drawers to include a spice rack.

shead. PPF's elevation didn't reflect the floorplan so we'd have to do some altering...we are doing a little bit of altering now to reflect this new elevation but not as drastic if that makes sense. And, hubby wasn't really crazy about any of the drawings and life is compromise right? I also liked PPF's drawings.

I still think Buehl's is far superior. Easy for more than one person to work in and the pantry will be closer than you think.

it's amazing how many floorplans I am now finding that have similar layouts to this new idea...

look at this one...

ok so back to original...I used Buehl's but moved the cooktop down a little and made island 6" bigger. I made opening only 42" not 48" moved double ovens to pantry fridge wall...36" pantry entry [could make it bigger]. thoughts?

Pushing the garage back is a much better organizing idea. But it has consequences.

You need to be working with an actual architect, or designer with talent. 997 self modifications of a not great starting plan is spinning your wheels unnecessarily. You’re getting lost, and don’t have the experience level needed to pierce through an idea’s repercussions.

Remember, your house is a water balloon. You pull it forward here, something elsewhere gets pushed back. You push it back there, and something else gets pushed forward.

Changes to the interior force changes to the exterior. Both changes have to be thought about and considered AT THE SAME TIME in the design. You need someone who can see both consequences, in their head, before putting it on paper. Hire PPF.

it's amazing how many floorplans I am now finding that have similar layouts to this new idea...

look at this one...

Yes there are lots of very poor floor plans out there.

Putting the double ovens in a doorway is not a great idea especially if you have children.

yes I moved the double ovens. Don't have young kids but someday grandkids. Thanks.