August 2019, Week 3
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Comments (65)Y'all, I'm working my way backwards as I try to catch up. After 2 days of trying to keep up with 2 healthy, active grandkids, I am brain-dead and my body is not much better off either. Jennifer, We enjoyed the weather with the grandkids and later had a nice visit with Jana at their house. It was our first time there since they began unpacking and I'm impressed with the progress they have made in one week's time. The outdoor tour was the most fun. They had brought photos of their rose tree (more on that in a second) in bloom when they brought the girls over and I identified it as a Peace Rose and told them this variety has a beautiful history that they needed to Google and read. So, I knew it was a tall rose as you could see it through the 8' tall windows in the master bedroom and the rose went taller than the window.....yesterday we went outside and looked at it, sitting there on the south side of their house, and that thing has to be 12-15' tall, and part of it crawls sideways along the house's eaves. It's main trunk looks like a tree trunk. Sadly it is long neglected and we are not sure how much it can be rejuvenated without killing it. Chris wanted to move it, but I nixed that idea as it grows directly adjacent to a medium sized tree (I think that one is a hackberry) and the roots undoubtedly are entwined. So, he is going to take cuttings and raise some. Then, probably each Jan or Feb of the next three years, we'll cut back one of the three long main canes by a large percentage to see if we can spur new growth on that cane. Actually, if it fails with the first cane, I don't know if they'll try again the next year with another cane. I suppose the good news is that the Climbing Peace Rose is not old enough to be original to the period when their home was built in 1932, so they could take it out if they choose without feeling like they were stripping the home of its original plant heritage. I also noticed yesterday that an otherwise weed-filled front bed that runs alongside the covered front porch has three volunteer petunias in it. That entire bed is destined to have the soil amended and small mounded shrubs planted there as it is a pretty narrow bed that could have small mounded shrubs or a ground cover or shorter types of blooming annuals or perennials, but it really doesn't have space for all 3 types of plants between the porch and the sidewalk. With the Peace Rose, I believe they would prefer a new location, so if the cuttings work out and give them plants they may end up taking out both the hackberry tree and the overgrown rose later on. The whole landscape needs work on all 4 sides, so they are busy making plans for that now that their interior is finished and they've moved in. I didn't really find anything of historical interest in their yard, plant-wise, but the back yard has a lovely crop of clover and dandelions for the bees, and that area was being visited by bees, butterflies and one dragonfly yesterday afternoon. Mammy, It is sad but true that at the end of every beautiful day (and some not so beautiful ones as well), we gardeners end up sore and achy and in need of serious pain relief. Jen, I love reseeding zinnias. Mine have reseeded in the same spot for almost 20 years, but every few years I add some new ones to the mix just to keep it all from getting too monotonous. After quite a few years of reseeding, we ended up with mostly pinks and yellows, so I had to sow reds, purples, greens, etc. to get more color back into that bed. Nothing much attracts butterflies all summer long like the zinnias do. Do you have a house full of furbabies this weekend? And, the question is, do the dogs get to hunt for Easter Eggs (or something more dog-like)? Being pooped means a great day, right? Mammy, Welcome to the group and thanks for your kind words. Zinnias were one of the first things I planted here....in 1998 in a raised bed I built behind the area where our home would be built in 1999. Sure, why not plant a garden in the middle of a field a year before construction started on the house? We came up from Texas every weekend to clear overgrown brush and trees and to put up a barbed wire fence around our 14.4 acres. With decades of overgrown vegetation that included heavy woodland, it took us forever just to clear a narrow corridor and fence the land, but coming up every weekend meant I could water my plants (I hauled water up in here cat litter jugs because we hadn't even joined the water co-op and put in our water line yet). Those first two small raised beds had tomato plants, pepper plants, a couple of herbs, hollyhocks and zinnias. What impresses me most now is that the wildlife never bothered them because they've bothered everything we've planted since moving here. I remember the first zinnias I chose were Oklahoma and Will Rogers because, why not? Try as we all might to plan, to amend soil, to do things 'just right', I tend to plunge into planting projects with great enthusiasm and joy, not with a lot of deliberate planning. I just plant stuff and wait to see how it does. How it mostly did in the beginning was that it fed a lot of deer. Nowadays I confine my vast growing experiments to areas within two fenced garden plots with 8' fences, and sometimes one other plot with only a 4' fence, to exclude the deer. More plants survive that way. While I love growing edibles, I mix in flowers and herbs in every bed, which drives my old farmer/old rancher friends absolutely start raving mad because they don't understand why I 'waste' space on anything non-edible. I can tell them until I'm blue in the face that growing food feeds our bodies but growing herbs and flowers helps feed our souls, and they just won't concede I'm right about that. Apparently by planting it all mixed when we moved here 2 decades ago, I violated some unwritten neighborhood rule that the men tended large row gardens with nothing but veggies in them (narrow rows, wide dirt spaces between them to allow the tractor to travel through the garden) and the women were relegated to herbs and flowers in pots on the porch and in a couple of flower beds near the house. I caught hell for that, but just kept on being me and doing my thing. My husband isn't a gardener anyway and works long days that include a 3 hour round-trip commute to Dallas from southern OK every work day, so we would have been in trouble if we chose to garden in the traditional neighborhood style, as we wouldn't have had veggies or fruits grown here on our property I guess. It doesn't matter what mulch you use, just use something. Mine varies from grass clippings (we mow a couple of acres and use absolutely no chemicals on our grassy areas) to chopped/shredded autumn leaves collected in the fall to purchased wood mulch. For many years, several farming/ranching friends gave us bales of old spoiled hay and I mulched like mad with those, but stopped accepting all the kind offers of mulch hay (and livestock manure) in 2010 (after friends gave us 220 square bales of hay) because of the risk of herbicide carryover. It is a lot harder to come up with enough mulch nowadays, but I am glad we have avoided contaminating our garden areas with persistent herbicides. I have had friends, including some right in my own neighborhood, accidentally contaminate their own garden soil with herbicide carryover and kill their own garden plants. They didn't even imagine this was a possibility because they choose not to use that specific class of herbicide on their property, but they forgot they purchased hay in drought years, including in 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014, so when they added composted cow manure and horse manure from their own barn to their garden, there was enough herbicide carryover to kill their tomato and bean plants, among other things that year. I am sure that if they'd thought about it in advance, they would have tested their composted manure by doing a bioassay, but they didn't. Luckily, being rural, they just went a little distance away on their large property and built a new garden, but it was a shame that had to abandon the well-amended soil in the original garden plot. Several years ago someone traveling down our rural road in a large spray rig apparently had some sort of accident and apparently lost several gallons of herbicide that ran into our bar ditch. We weren't home at the time, but as soon as I noticed the dying, splotchy grass and wildflowers, we stopped using grass clippings from that area, leaving them there on the ground when we mowed instead of gathering them in the grass catcher. Here we are three years later and the area that took the biggest concentration of that herbicide still remains largely weed-free, and even grass struggles to grow there. I am amazed at how long that spill has contaminated that area, even though I know that it is technically possible. Go ahead and plant those zinnias. My volunteers from past plants are sprouting in a pathway and have been for over a week now, and I have a flat of lemon-colored Profusion Zinnias to plant in the front garden today, and then I'll sow that flat with seeds of the same thing to plant in the back garden in a few weeks. The back garden is the little stepchild on our property---it is vole-infested and I don't plant it until the front garden is full because voles tend to eat anything planted too close to wintery type cold weather, making cool-season crops a no-go back there. Usually if I wait and plant the back garden in May (made easy this year by rain keeping it too wet to plant any earlier), the voles don't start eating plants until we get hot and dry in July, so at least everything back there has a chance for a while. Nancy, I know you've been busy with the family gathering and loved seeing the group photos on FB. What a large clan y'all have here! Kim, I am thinking of your mom, you, your sister (was she okay after that trip to the ER?) and the rest of your family. I hope this weekend is filled more with joy, peace and comfort than tears as y'all are traveling down a tough road right now. Sharon, I hope the service brought y'all comfort and joy yesterday as you all shared your memories of your mom. I smile when I think of her in heaven, reunited with your dad, and I see both of your parents in you and your girls. Larry, Did you get more rain? Did it freeze? George, I am sorry about your plants. I hate surprise freezes and am glad you had backups. Jacob, Can you start planting in earnest now or is the weather still too dicey? Rebecca, Sorry about the car repair bill. I hope that plant therapy helped. Amy, Is your dad doing alright? I know y'all must be busy getting ready for another wedding---this seems to be your family's year for weddings. Okay, see there...I have been paying attention and trying to stay caught up with everyone here in the group, both on FB and here on the forum, even though the girls have kept me running. Why does God give you crazy-active and crazy-busy grandkids after your body is old, exhausted and cannot run, jump and climb like it once did? We should have had the grandkids first when we were younger. I need to go start this week's thread as the weather takes aim at us yet once again, but enjoy today y'all. I intend to spend at least half of the day in the garden today. However, we did have three fire calls yesterday, and one was an All-Page, and I am concerned the All-Page fire will rekindle and ruin our Easter plans. It is odd for us to have a forest fire and not a pasture fire anyway, and our relative greenness is 89%, so that All-Page fire never should have happened. Somebody started that fire on purpose. We weren't even here....we were up at the kids' house in Ardmore, and by the time we stopped in at three stores, picked up dinner and headed home, they didn't need us at the fire. I guess we would have gone after we got home but we got lucky, and I was relieved because I felt too tired to deal with it. Dawn...See MoreMay 2019, Week 3, The Sunshine Returns
Comments (41)Amy, I do not want for this to be another 2015 so just stop all that crazy talk. The idea it could be is just horrifying and I'm not really expecting it to happen (or maybe I'm just hoping it won't happen). Really, though, the ground has been heavily saturated since last September, so I don't think it would take as much rain in May this year to leave us in the same terrible condition that 24+" (highly variable across the county that month, but 24+" at our place) left us that year. I really think we're almost there already. Every time it dries out at all, more rain falls. I have onions in the highest raised veggie bed at the top of the garden that are starting to rot just because they never dry out. There's nothing we can do at this point but wait it out and hope for the best. I have had multiplier onions set seed---maybe 6 or 8 years ago---and a couple of the seeds sprouted, but not many. I'd just blame all such oddities on this year's weather. Rebecca, It is the early stage of some sort of disease. Based on the tiny spots on some of the leaves, it could be septoria leaf spot or bacterial speck or bacterial spot. It is too early to tell. I'd just remove all those yellow leaves to prevent it from spreading. You cannot cure the plants once they have it, but treating the remaining foliage regularly with a fungicide would be the way to slow or stop its spread. You could use Serenade (Bacillus subtilis), copper or GreenCure (or a homemade baking soda spray) if you want an organic fungicide. If you prefer synthetic, Daconil or Fungonil would be the lowest impact (you can harvest the same day you spray with them) or either Maneb or Mancozeb, and those both have a 5-day pre harvest interval. Nancy, I hope the lake doesn't get to your daughter's house. Having the water just 8' from the deck would make me extremely uneasy. I'm laughing at the nickname Fluffy Ruffles. We have had more cats survive a snake bite than die from one, but much depends on where they were bitten and how much venom was injected. Ranger is the primo survivor, having survived (via very expensive vet care including being hospitalized for a week) having her face largely paralyzed by the venom. Her eyes remained paralyzed for almost a month but the vet let her come home after a week, telling us he did not even know if the paralyzed eyes would improve--there wasn't much in vet medical books or journals about such a thing.....and he is a cat specialist, so if this was a common snakebite thing, he would have known. Shady is our longest-lived cat snakebite survivor. He is close to 19 years old and was a year or two old when bitten, so he might argue he is the primo snakebite survivor here, but he never was as sick from the snakebite as Ranger was. It is hard to guess what your tiny flying creature is, but it sounds like a predatory wasp, so definitely a good garden helper. It is horrifying to hear that cat scream when your cats are out. I'm glad your cats are okay. Our worst cat scream wasn't even our cat screaming. It was my first cougar encounter, outside, alone, well after dark, calling our old daddy cat, Emmitt Smith, to come inside on a January night. We hadn't been here but a couple of years and didn't even have an outdoor security light (though we quickly got one after this). Anyhow cougars have an incredibly distinct roar that ends with a sound like a lady screaming---I heard it on TV growing up all my life because one of Fort Worth's nickname was "The Panther City" so in the 1960s and 1970s a lot of local businesses used panthers in their TV commercials. So, I called Emmitt and got a cougar roaring back at me. I was petrified because it was so dark it could have been 20' from me and I couldn't see it. I slowly backed up to the house and opened the door, calling Emmitt one more time. He didn't come. Tim was inside the house watching TV and never heard it, but the next day, two neighbors named Bill and Betty who lived 3/4s of a mile up the road stopped by to see if I as okay. I asked how they knew---they said they heard it and figured from the sound it was around our place. They wanted to be sure I knew what it was. Emmitt showed up 3 or 4 days later, after I'd given him up for dead, with a hunk out of his back....like he had been skinned. His hair never really grew back in that spot and he looked like a half-bald cat for the rest of his life. Foxes also make a screaming sound, as do bobcats when fighting. All of those are sounds no one should ever have to hear when their pets are out in the dark. Jennifer, Nope, I am trying to get rid of it all. After about ten years of overdosing on it, I'm just trying to clear that bed and put it to good use with plants that will produce a harvest the whole growing season, not just for a couple of months of it. It is really hard to get rid of asparagus though, as the roots grow together (at least ours have) into one long impenetrable mass. Onions prefer something higher in nitrogen. Blood meal would work if you have that, but any fertilizer will do. They really aren't all that picky. The thing with nitrogen is that the number of leaves and the size of the leaves determine the ultimate size of the onions, so lots of leaves and lots of big leaves are the goal. Those leaves will give you your onions. Once the onions begin bulbing up, they literally are drawing in the energy from the leaves, a process that continues long after the neck softens and the leaves begin falling over. This is why we leaves the leaves to turn yellow and brown on the plant....their stored up energy is flowing into the bulbs to feed them. Brown spots on tomatoes or potatoes or anything else wouldn't surprise me at this point---higher moisture years generally mean tons of viral, bacterial and fungal diseases, and the older the plants get, the more susceptible they are. I'm seeing reports of brown (or purple or maroon) spots on all sorts of plants right now---it is just that kind of year and it only will escalate as we heat up. Beans are very disease prone, but I ignore diseased leaves (I'll pull them off if those leaves obviously are dying) and still get a great harvest. One key thing to remember is that edible plants are not ornamental plants and often will not look that great at various stages in their lives---that is okay---they don't have to look good to produce a harvest. I hope you enjoyed your nap. Oh, I just saw your comment about Peggy. I am so sorry. Are you positive she is actually gone? If there's no sign of her body, she might have had something grab her but then she got away and will show up. We have had that happen before, and sometimes it takes a scared hen a day or two to come out of hiding and show up. No gardening here today...lots of wind and rain. We have the girls here, so after a late, lazy start to the day (a really late breakfast) we went to see the movie A Dog's Journey (sequel to last year's A Dog's Purpose) this afternoon. It was so good, and Lillie and I hardly cried at all (except each time the dog died.....which is over and over again as it is reincarnated into new bodies to continue its journey). The ending was beautiful though, and the skies were trying to clear off to the west as we were arriving home. I mean, no blue sky or sunlight, but lighter, higher clouds that weren't dropping rain. We have 1.75" in the rain gauge, so there will be no gardening or yard work tomorrow either. Monday is supposed to get pretty dicey, weather-wise, so I don't know if any work will get done. The Convective Outlook for Monday has a large portion of OK in the 'Moderate' risk area for severe weather, and Moderate in this case is worst than it sounds, as the scale (from least to worst) is: Thunderstorm, Marginal, Slight, Moderate and High. We rarely get a High risk day anywhere in the USA---maybe a few times a year, and Moderate always is serious enough to be of concern. I'd like to think I can go out to the garden Monday morning and harvest, maybe weed a little, talk to the drowning plants before Mother nature dumps more rain on them, or something. I think (hope!) the rain will be late in the day, but with this weather, who knows? Everything is lush and green if you just stand and gaze across the countryside, but if you look up close, there's a lot of leaf spot diseases on lots of stuff--I don't just mean in the garden but in the fields and yard and all that as well. Dawn...See MoreJune 2019, Week 3
Comments (32)Rebecca, Congrats on the Big Beefs! Any day that the dewpoint starts that high usually is not a good day. We 'almost' had a good day yesterday. Our dewpoint started high like yours but slowly fell all day long. Unfortunately I guess it didn't fall far enough fast enough. Our forecast said our max heat index would be 102 (compared to the previous day's 110) but they were wrong---it still hit 106. Still, 106 was better than 110. To me, when the overnight low is 80 or above, that's also a bad sign, and we've already had that this week too, though it is more common for nights in late July or early August to stay that hot. Jennifer, I agree. These hot nights aren't giving us much of a break. With fall tomatoes, I prefer to get them planted in late June or no later than the first week of July. Mid-June is even better. You want the plants to be large and in bloom when the daytime highs fall back into the right range for fruit set. Exactly when that happens will vary from year to year, but often it happens for much of the state around mid-August when the early August heat rampage breaks. My experience is that most people in OK plant them too late and don't get a lot of ripe fruit from them for that reason. Beans do not produce well in heat, and often do not produce at all in the heat. That is why we plant them so early here (April, and at my end of the state, in late March in a warm Spring)---we have to beat that heat. They drop blossoms without setting beans once the temperatures get up into the 90s and stay there consistently. The time to plant pole beans for fall production would be mid-July and the time to plant bush beans for fall production would be around August 10. Spider mites also are a big issue on bean plants in hot weather, which is another reason that beans don't do well as a hot weather crop here. If you like to grow Lima beans, I have found that they produce much better in the heat than snap beans do. We have had frosts as early as the end of September some years, but I don't think that has happened in a long time. It did happen our first year here.....and is another reason I have invested all that money in floating row covers. You can cover up your fall crops on the night of the first 1 or 2 freezes and often that's all you have to do---just get them through that first oddly cold night or two and then we'll have another 4-6 weeks of warm weather during which time your plants will be producing like gangbusters in autumn's milder weather. I didn't do much in the garden yesterday, just harvested enough bush beans to put up three pints in the freezer, and harvested more tomatoes (an everyday thing at this point). I've been staying busy on these hot afternoons processing the produce for fresh eating or freezing or canning so that nothing piles up too much and becomes an insurmountable mountain of produce that I dread processing. I don't think I'll do anything garden-related today. I need a day off, and I need to go to the store and run errands and all that stuff. Plus, there's rain in the forecast although our chances for today are really low. I think our big rain here won't come until Sunday night, possibly in the overnight hours. Our local TV met showed us the predictor model he uses and it showed the rain getting here really late, and he said he didn't believe it and thought it was 'off' and that we'd likely see rain 6 or 7 hours earlier than the predictor said. That would be Sunday evening and not Monday morning like the predictor model was showing. Maybe tomorrow morning I'll harvest whatever tomatoes are at the breaker stage or beyond, and any other produce that is ready. That way I'll at least get everything up into the house before the rain comes again to try to ruin the tomato flavor and make them all crack. Summer rain is the enemy of our tomato fruit, unfortunately. Have a great Saturday, everyone, and stay cool. Dawn...See MoreAugust 2019, Week 1
Comments (44)Rebecca, Well, the best we could do to beat the heat was 11:30 a.m. Fort Worth is so big and there's so many deaths and the funeral homes stay super busy, so you get the time slots that are available, if you know what I mean. I am not complaining.....at least it isn't an afternoon funeral. It is supposed to be the hottest day of the year so far, but no one here on this earth can control the weather. I think the recent high heat index numbers (ours have been in the 112-114 range on recent days) have fried my brain. We were out at the pool this evening and the temperature was 90-something and the heat index was 106 and I told Tim and Lillie "you know, this really doesn't feel bad at all". lol. I've lost my mind. I've always been impressed with how well tomatoes can bounce back some years. I have abandoned the garden in some hot dry years....stopped watering, closed the gate and walked away, leaving it all to the spider mites and grasshoppers. Then, a month or two later, I look and the tomatoes have tons of new growth and look great. You just never know what they'll do. I'm glad yours are showing resilience. Your flowers do look great. Jennifer, I know how badly y'all need rain and was hoping you'd get more, but any amount of rain is a blessing at this time of the year. I'm happy for all of you who got rain. We didn't get any, but we had some last week, so we aren't in terrible shape again yet. The dewpoints and heat index numbers are horrible though---as if the plain old high temperatures wouldn't be bad enough as they are. I believe Sun-Mon will be out hottest days of the year so far. Don't let the heat get to you! September is just around the corner and will bring cooler weather. Really, the NWS is showing cooler weather mid-week, so that's something to hope for and to look forward to, unless the forecast changes and that take that bit of coolness away from us. I hope you have many more years with your mom. Our mom never took care of herself (don't even get me started on that!) and we never thought she'd live as long as she did. When our dad passed away in 2004, we all thought mom wouldn't live more than a year or two longer. See how wrong we were? I know it will take a while to get used to not being so busy with the band, but y'all did your job so well for so long, and now it is somebody else's turn, and you and Tom get to have more free time for yourselves. That can only be a good thing, right? Today the weather felt quite a bit nicer here than on previous days. I think it was because our dewpoint was falling late in the day instead of going up, so our heat index peaked earlier in the day than usual, and it peaked lower---at only 111. How sad is it that this is what I consider a better heat index? How many days until autumn? Winter? Can we start counting? Need heat relief? Skip going to the nurseries and garden centers. Go to Hobby Lobby and walk around admiring all the fake autumn flowers, pumpkins, gourds, etc. and all the other fall decor, and then mosey over to the Christmas area and pretend it is winter time. See there---don't you feel better already? Drought is spreading rapidly on the U. S. Drought Monitor Map and our fire conditions are worsening. All we need is for southwestern and southcentral OK (and much of central OK and western OK) to get some rain like NE OK had this week and then things will get better quickly. If, and only if, that rain actually falls though. I looked at the 6-10 and 8-14 day outlooks and they don't look especially promising. I say this every August---where is a good old tropical storm or hurricane off the Gulf Coast when we need one? I'm not asking for a big damaging thing...just some sort of storm that will send a plume of moisture up over Texas straight to us. Unfortunately nothing like that is in sight either. Dawn...See Morehazelinok
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