New study on monarchs raised in captivity has sad news
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Is raising and releasing captive-bred Monarchs a bad idea?
Comments (4)One concern is an artificial change in butterfly phenotype and genotype in a large group of bugs raised by the industry. Darwinian selection is harsh for insects in general. Selection is also an ongoing process. Mass butterfly populations raised under ideal circumstances are likely going to be a little different genetically than butterflies that have survived predation on their eggs, pupae and adults. That should not matter much for backyard breeders, but the industry produces large numbers of butterflies for release. Spread of genes and gene-regulation mechanisms from industrial, mass-produced butterflies may have some negative fitness impact on the wild bugs they impregnate. Getting away from butterflies, one can read of problems with farm-raised fish escaping to spread disease and altered genotypes to wild populations. Consider, also, that a cactus raised from seed in a greenhouse is going to present a different phenotype and probably will have different patterns of gene regulation than a plant that succeeds in sprouting and surviving in a desert venue. Cactus collectors used to buy field plants in some numbers because they look so distinctive; hopefully a conservation ethic has persuaded many hobbyists to buy commercially raised plants or to sprout their own from seed. Summing up, I think the large commercial butterfly operations probably will do some long-term harm to the species they raise and sell....See MoreHigh fatalies with captive monarchs
Comments (10)I wasn't recommending you take the courses necessarily. Just pointing out that good breeders have standards. We have to be careful where we get our stuff from wild or otherwise or we can have problems. Monarchs have three (is that right Larry?) distinct populations with different or no migratory histories. Those in Florida do not migrate and have the highest levels of OE. Unknowledgeable breeders can cause problems by using this stock. Anyhow, lurk around IBBAs site for disease info, also Monarchparasite.org. Both those sites have very good disease information. I don't know of anyone who will help you for free other than the posters here. Amanda Lawrence at Mississippi State University conducts a bug pathology lab I believe but they charge you. You may be able to contact her for some free info. Check out this part of the IBBA web site. http://www.butterflybreeders.org/public/health/disease_prevention_MSU.html I don't think it is anything you are doing. It sounds more like you have a disease of some type in the batch. Start over with clean materials and eggs from a known source. As hobbiests, most of us never need to sterilize eggs. Only breeders and researchers need to do that. They have to ensure clean stock as they breed thousands of insects in close quarters. If you have plenty of healthy milkweed outside that freezes to the ground each year, you should be fine. Either let a momma come to you or order eggs from a known reputable source. Keep in mind that later in the summer OE levels do go up. If you can catch mom, you can test her to see what her levels are as well. This can give you a clue as to what is up. Other than clean cage conditions, the thing to watch out for are tachinid flies. They will lay eggs either on the caterpillar or on the leaves you feed to the caterpillar. So, wash or rinse the leaves well. Viruses get transmitted this way too. Again, being hobbiests most of us do not have too many problems with this, just occasionally. Oh, also wash your hands if you have been digging in the dirt. This is how bacterial diseases get transmitted. I have a bad habit of weeding and then handling caterpillars. It just seems to go togther. But Bt, that nice organic pesticide used on tomatoes, is isolated from soils. Good luck, Elisabeth...See MorePlea to all foster parents raising monarchs
Comments (19)You could also make your own 'breezy' containers. Make a frame out of something, wood, pvc pipe, whatever and wrap it in screen. If you don't feel like being that creative/crafty (like me) I found some picnic plate covers, they're a metel mesh. One I sewed screen around it and found a plastic bowl, drilled holes in it and sewed the bottom of the screen to the bowl. I use that (hung up, didn't add anything for support to stand it up) for my chrys. to eclose in. And the other I found another (happens to match) plastic bowl. I drilled a few small holes in the bowl, took some wierd yarn/string stuff, tied the plate cover to the bowl. There's 5 strings. And the neat thing is, all I have to do is untie the strings and toss the 2 halves in the dishwasher to disinfect. Below is a link to a simular mesh cover. I bought mine for a buck each at a Dollar General store. And the bowls I used were "Wavy" bowls at walmart for 75 cents. The wavy bowl gave me a little lip on the edge to drill holes in. Be creative! There's lots of stuff out there you can make cages out of. Wire Mesh trash cans, dollar stores usually carry small version. Or the mesh baskets.I find myself looking in the summer clearance stuff lateley go ooh! I could make a cat cage out of that! and that! But I don't really need anymore.... Oh, I did take 2 plastic bottoms from 2 plant pots (the things that are supposed to catch the water), It had 3 raised bumps where it originally attatched to the pot, stuck some small pvc pipe (really small) over 2 of the raised bumps, then attatched the other plastic thing face down on top of the pvc and wrapped it in some screen I had left over, w/ an opening in the front. Made a neat little 10" diamter, 12" tall cage. See, you can use anything! Here is a link that might be useful: mesh food covers...See More9 mature Monarch Cats - 2 new hatchlings
Comments (13)Mary and Laura, great to hear you are raising and releasing monarchs for the great migration. I just released my last monarch in Minnesota this week and am giving people raising tips in "Amazing Raise 1"...even if you weren't signed up, fee free to share how many monarchs you are releasing for the migration on the link page below. Laura, I think the high percentage of cardenolides in the goose plant may kill some of the smaller monarch caterpillars. I'm not sure if a higher percentage of this chemical also helps to protect them more from predators? Can a predator sense the monarchs' poison content without taking a sampling? Anyhow, most of our monarchs have headed south so be on the lookout for some Minnesota Monarchs! Tony Here is a link that might be useful: Raising HOPE for the Monarch Migration...See MoreFlorida_Joe's_Z10a
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