Need help with design for rangetop and induction cooktop
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Need help with Oven, Induction+Gas cooktop, and Fridge decisions
Comments (13)You got an excellent bargain on the oven. Do call Gaggenau and see if they'll honor the warranty. Congrats! Mine was FedEx'd from England. I think it was $70 U.S. duty, plus $5 for FedEx to handle the paperwork. Since you'll be carrying yours as luggage, you should be paying (if it hasn't changed) according to the following equation, with the price in U.S. dollars of your cooktop being X: duty=.03(X-800) That should be a lot less than import duty. That is, assuming that there isn't special duty on hand carried electronics or some such. If there's VAT in Germany, ask the store if you can have it waived since you're taking it out of the country. I don't know if you've seen the caveats. For your self-imported cooktop, you should get a letter from your insurance company saying that they know it's European rather than UL approved and that that doesn't affect your policy (mine said so long as it was installed by a licensed electrician). Also, you should make sure your building codes don't specify UL. If they do, you'll need a waiver. The Euro certification is just as good as UL, but you want to make sure that you have all the bases covered so they can't use a technicality to weasel out of the help you'd be given if there's a fire or something (like from a lightning strike). I'm also in California but local codes and inspectors vary. Do check with the airlines about the measurements they allow as well. It should be fine. My cooktop would fit, with its original box, into my old large pullman suitcase. I'm not sure about the newer ones, but it's the three dimensions added together they go by, with a maximum diagonal, so I think that part will be fine. Actually, if you have an old large pullman case, you might consider taking it, with some old towels or rags, and bring home the cooktop in the case, with the cloth for padding, instead of having to get an outer box and peanuts. Worse comes to worst, you can always send it FedEx. :)...See MoreNeed help finding induction cooktop.
Comments (1)All induction cooktops that I've heard of or used have sensors to detect when there is enough ferrous pan material above them to work correctly. (I haven't tested my quasi-commercial Cooktek wok hob though.) This is a safety measure as well as a convenience for the design of the electronics. (The hob coil and circuitry is the actual sensor.) If you lift a pan off an active hob, the cooktop will notice within seconds and throw a code, then try to detect whether the pan has been replaced. During the brief time that the hob is powered and the pan has been removed, the hob power is only virtual, and not heating the air or glass. After the code is thrown, the hob is basically unpowered. If the pan remains missing, then the time that the cooktop circuitry continues testing for a pan may vary with manufacturer. I just checked my replacement Frigidaire Gallery unit and the hob control continues flashing the power setting seemingly indefinitely (I gave up after 30 seconds). It may eventually stop. The hob remains safe. I vaguely recall my previous Kenmore (also made by Electrolux) shutting down after a while, but I won't be able to test that unless I repair the unit. kas...See MoreCan't believe I'm back and needing induction cooktop help
Comments (12)From notes I took last spring when I had to replace my Kenmore (Electrolux) cooktop, the cutout dimensions I know about are listed below. Note that examples I looked up of Kenmore/Frigidaire/Electrolux, Thermador/Bosch, Dacor, and Miele were nominally too large in one dimension or the other. The biggest issue is that it is unlikely that any manufacturer will support installation into a too-large cutout, even if the cooktop is large enough to not fall through. Some reinforcement may be needed in such cases. ref: current cutout 35.5 x 19.625 from message above Wolf CI365 35. x 19.5 Jenn-Air JIC 4536XS 33.125 x 19.25 (top overlaps cutout but support area may be too small requiring some added steel or wood support) Fagor IFA-90BF 35.44 x 19.5 GE PHP960DMBB 33.875 x 19.125 (see Jenn-Air comment) There may be newer models that have better fitting dimensions. Electrolux and clones have common installation cutout dimensions of 36 x 20.5. These allow for air ventilation at the edges, a ventilation scheme they once used but which is not used on the present Frigidaires. Some contraction of the cutout size might be acceptable, but gaining a whole inch front-to-back seems unlikely. Thermador/Bosch have common cutout dimensions of 34.875 x 20. I don't know if the width would allow squeezing into 19.5 inches. The top is 37 inches long so it will overlap adequately. Added support at the ends may be required depending on how the device is designed. If you can tolerate the Mother of all Messiness, you could have the granite cut in the kitchen. In such a case masking all the cabinet hinges, drawer glides, and other moving mechanical items in the area is one of many steps necessary. kas...See MoreShould cooktop/rangetop ventilation drive my kitchen design?
Comments (12)"Should cooktop/rangetop ventilation drive my kitchen design?" Kitchen design and execution is, first, a systems engineering project. In such projects, many elements affect the performance, selection and location of many of the other elements. So the answer to the question is at least 'partially' and usually 'most definitely.' A large cooking surface demands a large hood collecting aperture, and this has to grow the farther it is above the cooktop due to cooking plume expansion. Aesthetic weighting in the trade space tends to make walls the best locations for large hoods. But wall locations are not themselves immune to further systems engineering complications. The location of the duct exit on a wall or on a roof can be influenced by many residential architectural features that impact the duct path. In your particular case, without much meat cooking -- specifically meat grilling, searing, or frying -- the grease load that must be filtered would seem to be low, as would the upward velocity of the cooking plumes (presumed to be mainly steam). This suggests that a ceiling capture area (necessarily large; plume expansion is still present) would be OK, and could be managed at a air flow velocity lower than the values normally recommended. Forty feet per minute over the entire capture area may suffice. In this case, the blower needed would be, nominally, rated at zero static pressure to have a volumetric flow rate (CFM) of 40 x 1.5 x area of hood aperture. (The 1.5 is to account for pressure losses in the system and the supporting make-up air (MUA) system. At 9 ft, I would recommend at least a foot of overlap of the cooktop area (all four sides for an island or peninsula cooktop, three sides for a wall mount). A smaller overlap could be used if a 1 ft deep boundary were used to fence in the rising effluent as it reaches the baffles or whatever filters the ceiling installation uses. Don't expect cleaning of a ceiling install to be particularly easy. One question I can't answer relates to kosher rules related to commingling cooking plumes. Higher hood flow rates may be needed to assure that no commingled plumes escape into the room where they might be inhaled or allowed to settle on surfaces that they should be excluded from. I am particularly unclear how this was traditionally addressed....See MoreRita / Bring Back Sophie 4 Real
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