Roses for 6-7 foot obelisk - 'Graham Thomas" or any other?
vesfl (zone 5b/6a, Western NY)
6 years ago
Featured Answer
Sort by:Oldest
Comments (11)
vesfl (zone 5b/6a, Western NY)
6 years agoRelated Discussions
Question About Graham Thomas
Comments (30)Two things: your fertilizer number amounts of nitrogen (1st number on bag) might be too high & its encouraging foliage instead of blooms. I garden organically and use monthly during the growing season of roses Espoma Rose Tone (lower nitrogen and higher phosphorus to encourage buds & blooms). I used to have 'Graham Thomas' which looked great initially in the late spring but by summer's end had tons of blackspot! I used to call it my 'indicator rose'. I eventually removed it and the yellow rose now in my garden is 'Julia Child' which is more disease resistant....See MorePat Austin/Graham Thomas/WS2000 growth rate?
Comments (11)The very first question is: are the roses on rootstock that thrive in your soil? If your soil is shallow, or if the roots only thrive in a shallow cone of 'good' soil, then you're not going to get height, regardless of your zone. When the original poster buys a rose, he's buying a rose that has already been pampered beyond belief, in a green house or poly house, planted in soils that are totally unlike the real world, and fed the rosey equivalent of fois gras, lobster, and eclairs to make it grow. Nothing any of us can do inthe real world will equal that kind of pampering for twelve months of the year. Well, maybe some folks in California's cooler summer/warmer winters areas can approach it, but weather survival wasn't designed into the genetics of modern roses. Not all rootstocks are alike, some force roses to grow 12 months of the year, others may help dormancy happen. Some soils are better for Dr. Huey; other soils will make roses on R. multiflora wonderful plants; still other areas demand R. x fortuniana to overcome soil problems. About public gardens....go there earliest spring. Be sure you're comparing roses there with your own roses by starting to see if their roses made it through winter. We've been to some northern public gardens in early spring and I've been shocked at the number of roses that are replaced in a given year. It's not fair of you to evaluate your home roses by comparing them to roses that last year were in California, and only recently exposed to the last gasps of an Ohio winter. FWIW, I had a hedge of 24 Graham Thomases in east Tennessee. Their main problem was a tendency to put out spring growth early in spring, and that growth would get killed, dependably, by later spring freezes. That frozen growth would then be the locus of a nasty canker that would gird and kill the cane by mid June. The most cankers I have ever counted on a single cane was thirteen on one single cane of Graham Thomas. So, I'd guess Dave protects his GT....See MoreWhat (Rose or Otherwise) Would You Put Up a 7.5' Obelisk?
Comments (15)I'm glad that Setzer Noisette might work, Jeri. hoovb- It's about a mile and a quarter inland from the beach. Besides a jackmanii in relatively sunny conditions that does well, all recent attempts at Clematis in full sun just haven't gone well there. Henryi (One of the few cultivar names I can recall) was on the verge of death till I finally moved it to a shady spot. Perhaps our care has been less perfect and the sample size is fairly small, but I'm somewhat hesitant to plant a Clematis in a spot in the front yard if it's going to perform as other Clems have in similar conditions. She actually already grows a few of the recent suggestions elsewhere (Reine des Violettes, Cornelia, and Night Owl). As for Pax, we're both big fans of the Hybrid Musks. Penelope, Prosperity, and possibly Pax would all offer lovely light tones, but of those three I have only seen Prosperity grown in a way that might work. Penelope strikes me as more of a shrubby rose and Pax as perhaps too much rose. Though more apricot, Nymphenburg is intriguing. It doesn't seem to be a widely grown rose so I don't expect much feedback on it. I have mostly seen it as a shrub, but it's grown as a pillar rose at the Huntington so perhaps it could be applied to an obelisk. It is quite pretty. I've previously thought about getting it for myself, but seeing it at the Huntington made me reconsider. Perhaps this is a good opportunity for vicarious gardening. Jay...See MoreGraham Thomas reaching for the sky...
Comments (14)Jackie -- We tried tying the d*mned thing horizontally, but it was in a location that made that difficult. Had we had, say, a picket fence to espalier it along, I think it might have been great. As it was, it -- yes -- made about 15 lanky feet, and produced one bloom or small spray, right up at the top. We finally dug it up and donated it to the trash company. (That was before we took to using failed roses as kindling. I'm sure it would have burned well.) The Austin yellow which succeeds here, and blooms well, is 'Golden Celebration.' But even that -- like every Austin we've ever grown -- likes a generous supply of water. And in today's world, that isn't easy. DH carries dishwater over to them, and supplements the watering system with that, and that seems acceptable. But in today's world, in Southern California, we ain't plantin' no mo' Austin roses. Jeri...See Morevesfl (zone 5b/6a, Western NY)
6 years agovesfl (zone 5b/6a, Western NY)
6 years agoKaren Jurgensen (Zone 4 MN)
6 years agolast modified: 6 years agovesfl (zone 5b/6a, Western NY) thanked Karen Jurgensen (Zone 4 MN)vesfl (zone 5b/6a, Western NY)
6 years ago
Related Stories
GARDENING GUIDES6 Wonderfully Easy Roses for Any Gardener
Look like an expert even if you're just starting out, with these low-maintenance gems of the rose world
Full StoryLANDSCAPE DESIGN7 Low-Maintenance Lawn Alternatives
Turf isn't the only ground cover in town. Get a lush no-grass lawn with clover, moss and other easy-care plants
Full StoryKITCHEN DESIGN7 Strategies for a Well-Designed Kitchen
Get a kitchen that fits your lifestyle and your design tastes with these guidelines from an architect
Full StoryGARDENING GUIDES6 Unsung Bulbs for Fall Planting
Don't hang up your spade after summer — plant these unusual bulbs in fall for a spectacular spring show
Full StoryLANDSCAPE DESIGN6 Front Yards That Balance Privacy With Curb Appeal
Selective screens, layered plantings and low walls boost privacy but still keep yards welcoming to neighbors
Full StoryMUDROOMSNew This Week: 7 Hardworking Mudrooms and Entryways
Stylish custom storage and durable materials create beautiful, functional spaces that keep everything organized
Full StoryBEDROOMS7 Tips for Designing Your Bedroom
Learn how to think about light, layout, circulation and views to get the bedroom of your dreams
Full StoryARCHITECTUREHouzz Tour: Towering Above London in a 7-Story Home
Maximizing see-forever views, the U.K. couple who converted this water tower are aiming high
Full StoryREMODELING GUIDESSo You Want to Build: 7 Steps to Creating a New Home
Get the house you envision — and even enjoy the process — by following this architect's guide to building a new home
Full StoryGARDENING GUIDESWhat Kind of Roses Should You Grow?
Want to add the beauty of roses to your garden? Find out which ones, from old-fashioned to modern, are right for you
Full Story
jacqueline9CA