kucharsk- I wouldn't put too much stock in that review. Are you going to be using C. Cora's recipes and habits with these ovens? That review was based on those, Aunt Fannies or even your recipes may fair entirely different with those ovens. She also talks out both sides of her mouth: The Gaggenu is too complex and sophisticated yet the GE is too simple. They both have basically the same setup 2 knobs select the heating profile and the temperature. Also, she thinks the T'dor looks more "professional" Come on they look the same to me save for that nice Rolex looking clock. When's the last time a real professional chef had an analog clock on his/her oven. Many doen't even have a timer. Same arguement might be said for the larger window on the T'dor. Many pro ovens and especially pro ranges don't have ovens period. She also has ZERO to say about customer service, and I assure you Thermador is bringing up the rear in that group. Did she also mention that the T'dor has a lot of electronic failures out of the box, or the Wolf's flaking prob. you brought up, or that the Miele sometimes gets programed incorectly so it doesn't heat well if you have it set for the wrong voltage electricity? You really can't go wrong with either the Wolf or Miele. The Gaggenau is top notch too but is a bit of an odd bird for most people. BTW , I personally have 3 of the 5 ovens in that article, and have specified all at some point in the last 18 mo.

I am having the same problem with an LG/purple enamel interior after Thanksgiving dinner for a group of 10. I served dinner and later tried to remove the burned on spots after the oven cooled and after 4 days and using the Easy Clean function twice daily, most of it is gone but there are still black spots all over the sides and bottom. Customer service told me to try the baking soda and vinegar, then oil, letting each sit 3-5 min. That didn't work. Next, I was told to try heating the oven on a low temp, spray a degreaser and then use a Scotch-Brite non-scratch pad. I did but it wasn't very helpful. I asked customer service how to avoid this again and was told that I should put cookie sheets on the racks under the food next time. I bought this because I was told by the salesperson that the Easy Clean steam function would take care of any cooked on food. It doesn't. This enamel should not be sold with this function.

We have the (slightly) older style Wolf AG range. Our oven floor was replaced a few years ago (excessive "tin canning"--flexing during oven use). It has screws like you describe, so I am guessing it can be replaced if needed. If the porcelain is the same as ours, so far ours seems okay. Burnt on/baked in stuff that sometimes "flakes" off onto the sponge when I clean the oven (I've never been able to clean it off entirely), but it doesn't appear to be any of the porcelain itself flaking off.

More blah, blah, blah from moi about the M ... Haven't used it, and not sure I will really, but playing with the gourmet settings out of curiosity, just to see what they are ... It's a pretty logical step-by-step that many non-cooks could find helpful. You select the type of food (meat, vegetables, fish, baked goods, pizza, one dish meals) and then you select the type of prep or food within the category, and then size or other option (how many pans/racks, meat thickness, type of cake, fresh pizza or par-baked, etc.) and it sets the oven temp/mode for you and tells you what it's selected is, plus which rack you should put your dish on, whether you need to preheat, etc. Could be good for a babysitter or guest situation. It also leaves all that info onscreen until you push "start," so you don't forget which rack, etc. The few I checked: cookies under baked goods (350 on racks 2, 4 & 6) , par-baked pizza under pizza (stone mode at 450 using rack 2) and salmon steaks under fish (broil on high rack 6), all seemed pretty logical. The one thing they don't seem to give you is time, not even a rough estimate, which seems critical. If you really don't know what you're doing and trying to relay on the oven, how would that work? Oh and, by the way, the rack positions are numbered on the interior of the oven so you know what they're talking about. It's fairly slick and I can see the benefit in being able to tell my husband which rack to put something on, etc. Speaking of the racks, they seem stable and smooth once inserted, but they're a you-know-what to get in. They don't feel right, even when they're on right, and they stick something fierce when inserting, at least initially. It's a brute force kind of job that made me sure I was doing it incorrectly and had me consulting the manual and YouTube videos to confirm. And, I was doing it correctly, it's just super awkward ... Plus, they have sharp edges that seem to get caught on the braided fabric insulation seal around the oven cavity when you're taking them in/out. I've already snagged it several times, because you just can't keep the extension rack parts tight when inserting (they slide out), no matter how hard you try ... And it always seems to be a matter of brute force to get the front and back edges properly seated onto the rack guides properly. Once in, they're slick, and take up a lot less room than the L racks did, but wow, that's a pain. (And, to be a broken record, I still long for my coated Monogram racks that could stay in the oven when self-cleaning. Those were awesome.) An odd quirk ... The preheat temp countdown doesn't come on if you're using "warm", "proof" or "dehydrate" ... It just goes straight to "cooking," with no indication what the actual temperature currently is. Potentially a bad thing for modes like "proof" where too high of heat can kill your yeast. If it has the power to tell you it's actual readings -- and based on its slick preheat readings, it does -- why, why, WHY can't Wolf just let its customers have that settings onscreen all the time? (Even if it's a non-default option in order to avoid confusing "average" -- i.e. non-obssesed -- folks.) By the by, playing with the gourmet settings I still found the touchscreen super frustrating. Frequently, not selecting the item I thought I pushed, selecting items I didn't want, instead of scrolling, etc. I'm an iPhone, iPad user, so I'm plenty familiar with how most touch interfaces work, but this was just weird. If anyone figures out the trick, let me know. UPDATE: I think the "trick" is it doesn't really scroll, per se, you just have to touch what you want, no matter whether it's highlighted or not. Though that becomes confusing when there are more items in a list than fit on a screen and you just have to touch something lower down, or higher up, in order to see all the options. So: Touch something once to get it into the highlight portion; then touch again to select it. I also did the "calibration" under settings, and that seemed to help a bit with accuracy. Odds and ends ... -Every time you set something on roast (conv or regular) it wants you to use the probe, and you have to forcibly exit out of doing so if you don't want it. Seems unnecessary, and wish you could turn off things like that, as well as the preset temps for each mode; or at least adjust them to what you prefer/use most. -There is an "about" selection in the settings that shows the model and software version info, but doesn't have the serial number information, which would have actually been helpful and you think wouldn't have been that hard to program. -Anyone know what "Standby power" mode does/doesn't do? Default is "off." -Touch screen seems to get smearier than the old L touch interface did. Of course, that had touch buttons, while this is an LCD/LED touch anywhere screen. Looks messy pretty quickly. :( -Selections like "light" or "timer" go bold when they're activated. Flame logo is red anytime you're in cooking mode; gray when you're not ... Might be even more useful if it was only red once you've hit "start" so you know it's working. (<<<---This how it works. It's just that with the double ovens, if one is on, the flame is red, even if the other is still waiting to start.) -Lastly, in the curse of the observed, I'm now hearing the cooling fan that kicks on at either a certain temp, or after you turn off any mode, a lot more. LOL. Whew, sorry for droning on. Can you tell I'm excited about my new toy? :)