Help with a family house plan
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Need help adjusting plan to fit family of 8
Comments (21)Hi, congrats on the new baby and new home. We now have 6 boys (I have not figured out how to change it on here). I think LL did an awesome improvement on the plan. I was wondering a few things.... Are you planning to use the master sitting area for "mom and dad's office?" That is what we have done in ours and think it will work out great. Where will the home school area be? The game room? If there, it does seem rather far away from the most used areas (kitchen, laundry etc). Perhaps that is a good thing. If it were me...I would open the wall between the study and laundry area in a heart beat. I would close off the doors shown into the study sides and have just the one door going into the room. I would use that area as a large laundry/flex room. You would need to define spaces between that area and the home school area or just use it for home school. Assuming again that the master will be mom and dad's office. We have a long narrow laundry/flex room now and it could be twice the size and I would love it even more. We do crafts, computer work, etc all in there while keeping the laundry moving. As shown the bedrooms and closets look rather small for sharing with siblings. Especially the closets seem on the small side. We have 2 boys in each room with nice walk in closets for each room. We keep all clothes and "more" organized nicely in the closets. I do not use bunk beds (have always had a fear of them). We as of this Friday will have 2 twin beds in each kids' room. The middle 2 boys have used a queen together. I think they might end up in a twin together during the night ;). We have separate his and her closets in our master and believe it or not we use the one for the nursery and share the other closet. He will be 2 in April and it has worked out well having the nursery attached to our room, yet separate. Someday we will have separate closets with our items spread out. The closets really are larger than we need. I would square off the dining room and master sitting area walls, unless that is a look that you have been wanting. You will gain a little room and cut down on cost related to the extra corners. And personally I think it is a nicer look:). We also have 1 eating, table area besides the island. It is located off the kitchen to the back of the house too and we LOVE it. Ours is just over 12X18...so great for an oversized table 4X10. For large parties we can add another table in a T off the main table and have room to seat 10 more easily. Our dining area has a 10 foot arched entry to give it a little separation from the kitchen. I would work on straightening out the angled area in your kitchen plan. Actually I would definitely try to steal some square feet for your kitchen and have a larger island too. I'm sure you have lots of little helpers and cookie makers that love to gather around the island. I just reread the suggestions above about moving the pantry to the mud area or utility area. That is a great idea, I really think you need that extra kitchen space too. A mud room really doesn't need to be that wide. You can organize a lot of coat/shoe space in a narrow area. Wide hallways work great for this...cubbies etc do not take up much space (but, help out so much). Sorry if this is a scattered post with random thoughts. I'm having a case of insomnia and desperately need to try to get back to sleep. Another thought, I wanted to mention...the laundry/study combined fleas area could also easily have a half bath and then you would get your bath by the mud/garage entrance. I must agree IS high on the priority list of must haves....See MoreHolding my breathe.....Thoughts on our family home plans please!
Comments (29)I think all of us that have been brave enough to post our plans here have felt like they are ripped apart and the statement that there are no good redeming qualities is said quite frquently. Based on this I hypothesize that close to 90% of the houses in the town I live in would ever meet the standards set here. That being said I did get some good ideas that we incorporated (and we used an architect that apparently shouldn't be allowed to practice based on what he designed for us). I found the kitchen forums to be a much more helpful bunch, they give lots of great ideas and help without making you feel like your entire plan is horrific. Frankly, I am so THRILLED that my plan and especially my early elevations were ripped apart. It is because they were ripped apart over and over again, that I will be building a much better, more well designed house. I would much rather live in a well designed house that meets mine and DH's needs and looks like it belongs in the neighborhood, than something that was just so so. After all, if I'm spending 6 or 7 figures for a custom built house, shouldn't I get the best house I can possibly get for our needs? My advice is to listen with an open mind. Yes it's hard at times. I remember several nights where I repeated the same thing over and over (the fact that because of my lot, my house size downstairs was limited) but the good folks here, still wanted to try and figure out how to give me more space. :) Or when they basically bashed an idea of mine (can we say entry laundry?), I felt extreme frustration. However, even what seemed like a silly idea or an undoable idea, sometimes sparked a workable idea that helped improve my house. And I would absolutely listen to the architects on this forum. Without their extensive knowledge, my craftsman house would have looked like a mashup of every applied craftsman gee gaw without having any cohesiveness....See MorePost-flood surprise kitchen remodel for family of 5, planning help ple
Comments (16)I worked a design up that I think meets all your needs & wants except the cozy nook with comfortable chairs. More on that below... A few comments b/f I post my design. Pantry... You want a pullout pantry instead of a built-in pantry. However, a built-in pantry with shallow shelves (12"D) is much more useful -- it's more efficient & flexible storage, holds much more, is much more functional, and is much less expensive to build and maintain. In addition, you have very limited wall space and given all your wants, a pullout pantry would make your Kitchen function worse, not better. I do not know where your front door is (it's not one of the spaces you included in your sketch), but the "Front Closet" doesn't seem to be in a particularly useful location. Plus, with 5 people and the paraphernalia associated with them (especially school-age children!), it seems too small. We have one that's wider than yours (48" vs 40") and it's useless for a family of 4. It's turned into a catch-all for things no one knows where to put away -- something I should have changed when we redid our Kitchen but didn't think about. (I've been debating turning it into an auxiliary pantry instead of the one in the basement.) Based on above, I'm going to suggest that you merge the current Pantry and Front Closet into one Pantry. It could hold both food and small appliances and could also house the printer -- keeping it out of sight but still in the open for ease of use. (With the exception of my toaster oven, all my small appliances fit in my pantry on 12" deep shelves -- blender, breadmaker, coffeemaker, food processors (large & small), toaster, waffle maker, etc.) . Snack/Lunch Center (and Coffee Center)... For the Microwave, I suggest creating a "Snack/Lunch Center" to include either a MW drawer (my preference). a MW hanging from an upper cabinet, or a MW sitting on the counter. In the design below, note the location of this Center. It's located to the left of the Pantry and out of the main part of the Kitchen. This keeps snackers outside of the work area so they do not interfere with the preparing and cooking a meal or cleaning up. The Center is located near the refrigerator where most MW'd food and lunch foods come from and not far from the sinks. There is plenty of storage, both above and below for lunch supplies, perhaps a gluten-free bread drawer, etc. The upper cabinet is only 9"D to open up the area a bit. However, if you hang the MW from the upper cabinets, the one the MW is hanging from should be at least standard depth (12") and maybe even 15" deep. I prefer the MW below the counter so it's not "in your face" when hanging or cluttering the countertop...but I would definitely not put a standard MW below the counter since they are problematical to use in that location...instead, I recommend a MW drawer. There is also a coffeemaker in the Center since it's over 5' wide and plenty big enough for both a Coffee Center and a Snack Center. The "Snack/Lunch Center" also acts as a Tertiary Prep Zone -- it has no direct water access, but water is nearby. . Gluten Center... The "Gluten Center" is located far from the main area of the Kitchen and the Snack/Lunch Center to reduce the chances of cross-contamination. It does sit partly in front of the window to the deck, but I suggest putting in just one cabinet and leaving an open space directly adjacent to the window. It may need a "leg" to help support the countertop, but it doesn't have to be very big. That open space could be for a small trash can or just left open. It shouldn't block too much light. If you like to keep things off the counter, the toaster and other paraphernalia can be stored in the drawers when not in use. . Island... The island holds the Cleanup Zone and the Secondary Prep Zone. It also seats 5. . Cozy Nook... I was not able to put in a couple of chairs and table. The doors being spread out really constrain the space. I know you said no structural changes, but if you were willing to move the french doors from the Kitchen to the Dining Room, it would free up that corner for the cozy little nook you're thinking of. That corner would be a nice place for a couple of chairs and a small table (see the "Nook Option" layout to see what I'm talking about). . ++++++++++ The Layouts ++++++++++ Layout #1: . Layout #1 - Zones: . Layout #1 - Nook Option: . . Layout #2: . Layout #2 - Zones: . +++++ Additional Analysis +++++ The three primary work zones (Primary Prep, Cooking, Cleanup) are separated from each other. This allows several people to work in the Kitchen at the same time -- prepping, cooking, and cleaning up. Each primary zone has it's own "space" so there is no conflict. Prep Zones...There are two Prep Zones with direct water access and one without direct water access. With multiple prep zones, several people can be prepping at the same time (in addition to someone cooking in the Cooking Zone). The Primary Prep Zone is on the perimeter b/w the refrigerator and range and contains a prep sink. While working in this Prep Zone you can easily move from the refrigerator to the sink (for cleaning/rinsing food) to the prep counterspace to the range in the Cooking Zone. There are over 33 inches b/w the sink and the corner and over 30 inches b/w the corner and range for work space...all nice and close to the range. This flow follows the usual Kitchen workflow: Refrigerator --> Prep Zone/Sink --> Prep Zone/Workspace --> Cooking Zone The Secondary Prep Zone is on the island and uses the cleanup sink as its water source. -- In Layout #1, the DW is in the middle of the Secondary Prep Zone. Unfortunately, this means if someone is prepping there, it will be difficult for someone else to clean up. However, the DW is close to the dish storage both next to the range and in the island. -- In Layout #2, the DW is not in the Secondary Prep Zone and there can now be someone prepping and cleaning up at the same time. However, now the DW is now too far from the dish storage next to the range and the island dish storage is in the middle of the Secondary Prep Zone. In addition, the 13" thick wall is somewhat in the way. -- I'm not sure right now which I prefer! I kind of lean toward the 2nd, but if I were cleaning up I wouldn't be very happy about the dish storage being so far away! The Tertiary Prep Zone is in the "Snack/Lunch Center". While it has no direct water access, it does have sufficient counter space to help out with preparing a meal. As the Lunch Center, someone can be making lunches for the next day while others are preparing/cooking a meal and/or cleaning up. The two sinks make it possible for you to have multiple people working in the Kitchen. To work effectively, you need the two sinks to allow people to be able to work at the sink at the same time and have their own counterspace. Sharing a sink doesn't really work that well, even if you have a giant sink -- especially with kids working together! The Cooking Zone...The Cooking Zone contains the range and is next to the Primary Prep Zone and across from the Secondary Prep Zone (whichever option you pick). The Cleanup Zone...The Cleanup Zone contains the sink and DW. Normally, I would move this zone to the perimeter and moved the Primary Prep Zone to the island b/c you spend far more time prepping than you do cleaning up (over 70% prep/20% cleaning up), but two things worked against that... You don't have enough wall space for both the refrigerator/range and the cleanup sink/DW. You stated your preference for it to be in the island. The reality is, though, that you don't actually spend that much time at the sink during cleanup. Cleanup includes clearing/wiping down the table, clearing/wiping down the counters, sweeping, loading/unloading the DW, etc...in addition to hand washing a few dishes at the sink. With only one sink, prepping & cleanup are done at the same sink, so it's understandable that many think they spend a lot of time cleaning up...it's actually the prepping....See MorePlan for 2 Story Family Room Starting from scratch and appreciate help
Comments (2)We've been snowed in for just about 3 days now and so I have had time to think about things, we are expecting warmer weather tomorrow! I'm confused about what to do with my fireplace. The hearth is flush with the carpet and it's hardwood. The sides of the fireplace are in ceramic tile. It all has to be replaced. I'm not sure if we should 1. pay a contractor to raise the gas fireplace just a few inches to have a small hearth 2. keep the fireplace low and where it's at and just embrace that everything is flush and don't have a hearth 3. Keep the fireplace where it's at and coordinate the tile and still have a hearth (maybe do faux stone?)....See Morebeckysharp Reinstate SW Unconditionally
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