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Comments (11)I'm having the same concern. I originally went to lumber liquidators and found a nice hand scraped strand bamboo flooring. I then went online and researched a load of companies. So far, I like Cali bamboo. My biggest concern was the formaldehyde in the products. Cali bamboo has little to no formaldehyde added in there product. I've read those same reviews about Morning star, but they were outdated. I was emailed a material safety data sheet on Morning Star brand, but no one could tell me how much formaldehyde content was in the morning star product. At the bottom of the sheet there was a disclaimer: "The information and data herein are believed to be accurate and have been compiled from sources deemed to be reliable. It is offered for your consideration, investigation and verification. Lumber Liquidators makes no warranty of any kind, express or implied, concerning the accuracy of completeness of the information and data herein. Lumber Liquidators will not be liable for claims relating to any party's use of or reliance on information and data contained herein regardless of whether it is claimed that the information and data are inaccurate, incomplete or otherwise misleading. It is incumbent upon the user to obtain the most up-to-date information". So I guess what they mean is that the info on the safety data sheet is BS. I'd like to know. Cali bamboo is great, but I actually prefer the hand scraped look they have from Morning Star at lumber liquidators. Does anyone know if Morning Stars 2011 line has added formaldehyde?? (That's the lovely odor you smell from the floors). I can't seem to be able to get a solid answer. This is what the safety data sheet states for Morning Star: 3000 John Deere Road Toano, VA 23168 Emergency phone: 1 800-HARDWOOD Fax: 1 757 259 7295 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) is issued by LUMBER LIQUIDATORS. LUMBER LIQUIDATORS flooring will issue a new MSDS when there is a change in product specifications and/or regulations. LUMBER LIQUIDATORS will not accept any responsibility for any change to its MSDS in content by other person or organization. IDENTIFICATION Product name: Prefinished Strand Bamboo Flooring Trade name: Morning Star Bamboo Flooring Other Names: Various Manufacturer Information: Lumber Liquidators Inc 3000 John Deere Road Toano, VA 23168 Tel: (757) 259-4280 Fax: (757) 259-7295 www.lumberliquidators.com Description: This product is composed of bamboo fibers bonded together with urea formaldehyde (UF) resins. The fibers are mixed and pressed together to give a unique shade blend and increase hardness. The wear layer is finished by 7 coats of polyurethane with aluminum oxide coating manufactured by Treffert or Klumpp UN number: Not applicable Dangerous goods class: Not applicable Product Use: Building Materials � Commercial or Residential MSDS Morning Star Strand Bamboo Flooring, Revision 3, April 2009 Page 2 of 7 Hazardous ingredients/identity information: Name CAS #2 % Agency Exposure Limits Comments Bamboo1 None 89-90 OSHA3 OSHA ACGIH4 ACGIH PEL5-TWA6 15 mg/m3 PEL-TWA 5 mg/m3 TLV7-TWA 3 mg/m3 TLV-STEL8 10 mg/m3 Total dust Respirable dust fraction Respirable dust fraction Inhalable particles Urea Formaldehyde resin solids 9011- 05-6 10-11 OSHA OSHA ACGIH PEL-TWA 0.75ppm PEL-STEL 2 ppm TLV - Ceiling 0.3 ppm Free gaseous formaldehyde (contains less than 0.1% free formaldehyde) UV Finish Polymerized polyurethane None 0-1 OSHA ACGIH PEL-TWA none TLV-TWA none None None 1 CAS # = Chemical Abstract System. 2 OSHA = Occupational Safety and Health Administration. 3 AGCIH = American Conference of Government Industrial Hygienists. 4 PEL = Permissible Exposure Limit. 5 TWA = Time Weighted Average. 6 TLV = Threshold Limit Value. 7 STEL = Short Term Exposure Limit Note: Bamboo is a member of the grass family which has distinct anatomical differences from that of wood. Therefore, bamboo would be regulated as an organic dust in a category known as "Particulates Not Otherwise Regulated" (PNOR), or Nuisance Dust by OSHA. The ACGIH classifies dust or particulate in this category as "Particulates Not otherwise Specified". Physical data: Physical State: Solid Boiling Point: Not applicable Freezing Point: Not applicable Specific Gravity: 0.58 g/ml Vapour Density: Not applicable % Volatiles By Volume: 0 Melting Point: Not applicable Vapour Pressure: Not applicable Percent Moisture 5% - 9% Solubility in H20 (% by wt.): Evaporation Rate (Butyl Acetate = 1): Not applicable pH: Not applicable MSDS Morning Star Strand Bamboo Flooring, Revision 3, April 2009 Page 3 of 7 Appearance and odor: Bamboo fibers mixed creating a shade blend unique to each plank (light yellows for natural, light browns for carbonized or a mix of lights yellows and light browns shades). This product can also be stained with various colors. Low-fuming urea formaldehyde resins have a slightly aromatic odor. Fire and explosion data: Flash Point: Not applicable Auto ignition Temperature: Not available, however, it is usually accepted that the ignition of bamboo begins when the temperature reaches 204-260�C (400�500�F). (Depends upon duration of exposure to heat source and other variables). Explosive Limits in Air: Not applicable. See below under "Unusual fire and explosion hazards" Extinguishing Media Water, Carbon dioxide, Dry chemical, Sand. Special Fire Fighting Procedures None Unusual Fire and Explosion Hazards Sawing, sanding or machining can produce bamboo dust as a by-product which may present an explosion hazard if a dust cloud contacts an ignition source. An airborne concentration of air is often used as the LEL for bamboo dust. Reactivity data: Conditions Contributing to Instability Stable under normal conditions Conditions to avoid Excessive moisture, condensation or water vapor; Open flame or conditions above 400 F. Incompatibility Avoid contact with oxidizing agents. Avoid open flame. Product may ignite when temperature reaches in excess of 204�C (400�F). Hazardous Decomposition Products Thermal and/or thermal oxidative decomposition can produce irritating and toxic fumes and gases, including carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide, aldehydes, organic acids and polynuclear aromatic compounds. Hazardous Polymerization Not applicable MSDS Morning Star Strand Bamboo Flooring, Revision 3, April 2009 Page 4 of 7 HEALTH HAZARD INFORMATION Carcinogenicity Listing: (X) NTP1: Group 2, A & B Formaldehyde, Wood dust NTP-Group 2: Reasonably anticipated to be a carcinogen. A) Limited evidence of carcinogenicity from studies in humans which indicates that causal relationship is credible. B) Sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity from studies in experimental animals (X) IARC2 Monographs; Formaldehyde, Group 2A, Wood dust, Group 1 IARC-Group 1: Carcinogenic to humans; sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity. This classification is primarily based on studies showing an association between occupational exposure to wood dust and adenocarcinoma of the nasal cavities and paranasal sinuses. (X) OSHA3 Regulated: Formaldehyde IARC-Group 2A: Probably carcinogenic to humans; limited human evidence and sufficient evidence in experimental animals. Studies of cancer incidence among workers in a wide variety of occupations have failed to convincingly show carcinogenic activity of formaldehyde in humans. Gaseous formaldehyde has been shown to cause cancer in certain laboratory animals after long-term exposure to very high concentrations (14+ ppm); concentrations which are far above the levels of formaldehyde gas emitted by this product. 1 NTP = National Toxicology Program 2 IARC = International Agency for Research on Cancer 3 OSHA = Occupational Safety and Health Administration Exposure hazard: Eye Contact Wood dust can cause mechanical irritation such redness and watering. Skin Contact Not applicable for this product in its purchased form, however various species of wood dust may evoke allergic contact dermatitis in sensitized individuals. High concentrations of gaseous formaldehyde may cause allergic contact dermatitis. Ingestion Not likely to occur under normal use. If ingested, may cause gastrointestinal tract irritation. MSDS Morning Star Strand Bamboo Flooring, Revision 3, April 2009 Page 5 of 7 Inhalation Not applicable for this product in its purchased form, however, wood dust may cause nasal dryness, irritation and obstruction. Coughing and sneezing; sinusitis and prolonged colds have also been reported. Wood dust, depending on species, may cause respiratory sensitization and/or irritation. However, gaseous formaldehyde may cause respiratory difficulties for sensitized/allergic individuals. Emergency and first aid procedures: Eyes Flush eyes with large amounts of water. Remove to fresh air. If irritation persists, get medical attention. Skin Wash affected areas with soap and water. Get medical advice if rash or persistent irritation or dermatitis occurs. Inhalation Although not applicable for this product in its purchased form. However, if inhalation of bamboo dust, remove to fresh air. Get medical advice if persistent irritation, severe coughing or breathing difficulty occurs. Ingestion Not applicable under normal use. PRECAUTIONS FOR USE Accidental Release Measures Not applicable for product in purchased form. Dust generated from sawing, sanding, drilling, or routing of products may be vacuumed or shoveled for recovery or disposal. Avoid dusty conditions and provide good ventilation. A NIOSH-approved dust respirator should be worn if dust exposure limits are exceeded. Handling and Storage No special handling precautions are required for products in purchased form. Keep in cool, dry place away from open flame. This product will release small quantities of gaseous formaldehyde (≤0.12 mg/m3, which is below the E1 classification in accordance with EN 717-1:1998 test methods). Store in well ventilated area. MSDS Morning Star Strand Bamboo Flooring, Revision 3, April 2009 Page 6 of 7 Personal Protective Equipment: Respiratory Protection Not applicable for product in purchased form. A NIOSH-approved dust respirator is recommended when allowable exposure limits are exceeded. Protective Gloves Not required. However, cloth, canvas, or leather gloves are recommended to minimize potential mechanical irritation slivers from handling and machining product. Eye Protection Not applicable for product in purchased form. Goggles or safety glasses are recommended when machining this product. Other Protective Clothing or Equipments Not applicable for product in purchased form. Outer garments may be desirable in extremely dusty areas. Work/Hygiene Practices Follow good hygienic and housekeeping practices. Clean up areas where wood dust settles to avoid excessive accumulation of this combustible material. Minimize blowdown or other practices that generate high airborne-dust concentrations. Local Exhaust Provide local exhaust as needed so that exposure limits are met. Special / other None OTHER INFORMATION Disposal Consideration If disposed of or discarded in its purchased form, incineration is preferable. Dry land disposal is accepted in most states. It is, however, the user�s responsibility to determine at the time of disposal whether your product meets RCRA criteria for hazardous waste. Follow applicable federal, state, and local regulations. Transport and Regulatory information Not regulated as hazardous material by the U.S Department of Transportation and the Canadian Transportation of Dangerous Goods (TDG). Not a controlled product by WHMIS...See MoreDark hardwood vs lighter hardwood floors
Comments (61)When it comes to hardwood, trends are something to ignore! Why? Because hardwood is pretty much a lifetime purchase, and unless yours is damaged in some way, you're probably not going to replace it. So, light wood vs. dark wood, wide planks vs. narrow planks -- that stuff's all going to come and go. With that in mind -- as well as the very real concerns about cleaning dark wood -- I'll vote for a nice, neutral midtone every time. Not too much contrast, not too red, and (unless it's a beach house) not too pale. I think this is the wood that's most likely to give you good service and stand the test of time....See MoreLuxury Vinyl Plank vs Engineered Hardwood
Comments (46)So let's talk the about the difference between an engineered hardwood and a vinyl plank. And there are more than just the difference between the two flooring options. There are many differences within each type of flooring. For example: engineered hardwood flooring can come in different thickness overall and vinyl planks can come in different plank styles (glue down, WPC and SPC). Let's break this down for you guys a little further. Engineered hardwood is an incredible option for an authentic with longevity in mind. Typically is worth less than it's hardwood counterpart (hardwood) but in some instances, depending on the wood species, a high end engineered hardwood veneer could be worth more than a low grade hardwood such as your North American (domestic) species. Engineered hardwood is more often on the 7/16" side of thickness and that is your more price friendly thickness. You can special order a thicker 3/4" board, but that will come at a heftier price because it's added layers. The added layers create a more stable plank that expands and contracts at a lower rate than it's 7/16" counterpart. Engineered hardwoods always should and for the most part come prefinished with an aluminum oxide coat. This very coat is your barrier against everyday beatings from walking traffic and dropped items. This coat is very tough but no floor or finish is indestructible. You will have dents and scratches pop up over the years. Depending on the company, you can buy "refinish kits". Although, technically you cannot refinish aluminum oxide, the kits just help you hide the scratches until you decide to do a professional refinish to your floor. Lastly, let's talk about refinishing your hardwood floor. Please have a professional do it! And it is very expensive to do this job. Depending on your floor size it can cost well over $3,000 USD. At this rate, you are in the market for a high level LVP. Which brings me into the luxury vinyl plank spectrum. As you all are aware, LVP's are dominating the flooring market and they should be. They do a very, VERY good job at imitating a hardwood or stone surface and multiply the longevity all the while. Vinyl has come a long way in the last couple of decades let alone the last few years as far as planks are concerned. There are plenty of options and so, so many different brands all wanting you business. Luxury vinyl planks can be divided into two different categories in the market right now: glue down or floating. The first generation of vinyl planks are your glue downs. They are still very popular and serve as one of the friendliest DIY repair floors. You simply heat the old damaged plank, peel it and put a new one down. The floating aspect of planks gets a little more complicated as you can have a WPC (wood polymer composite), SPC (stone polymer composite) or a loose lay style. And you can look those up to see the complete difference in each to see what's your most needed. I'll lightly go over each to explain what they are. While all three styles are virtually waterproof, you really can't go wrong with any and will have a good product in each one. WPC's are a click based plank which does not require an underlayment, hence being labeled a "floating" floor. The foaming agent in the core of the plank helps with sound absorption and makes the plank a little more friendly to stand on. It's a thicker overall plank and you should think about how the trims will be affected. SPC's are a click based plank which also does not require an underlayment which helps reduce the installation cost. The core is limestone based and makes it very rigid and tough. It's extremely dent resistant but for the most part is lower in wear layer for some reason. You can however find plenty of SPC's with a higher wear layer, nearing 28-30 mil, but it will cost you more because you will have a high dent and scratch resistance. And finally you have your loose lay planks which are the ultimate form (as of now) in easy maintenance and installation. They do not require an underlayment, do not use a click system and don't need any adhesive (although some installers recommend gluing the perimeter). They have a friction backing which let you lay the plank adhesive free without any movement on its end. The plank itself is waterproof and pretty dent resistant. While engineered hardwood does cost more and is less maintenance friendly, it does add value to your home with the hardwood veneer. The ability to refinish gives you a long floor life but the cost of a refinish is a setback in itself. Luxury vinyl planks are a low cost and long lasting floor option but adds little to no value to your home. The endless options of styles and colors gives you endless customization to your home at a far less price. Either option can last a while but at this time vinyl planks are a better option for any household with multiple members, both human and furry alike. I hope this little bit of information helps in the short and long run. Just a flooring dude....See MoreEngineered hardwood vs Luxury Vinyl Plank
Comments (8)I don’t agree that LVP is not a good choice for basements. We used it because we have a walk out that goes to a free access dog run with 3 big dogs and the other entry is to the pool so lots of traffic with wet feet, muddy feet and at the end of the day a quick mop and it looks like new 12 yrs later . Hardwood would have by now looked like garbage from dog nails and water left sitting. IMO you choose flooring to stand up to your lifestyle not because some imaginary buyer will like it better. We have always had floors that are not real wood because we will always have big dogs and no matter how careful you are they can do some real damage to wood floors....See MoreChristine Wilson
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