I actually sucked in my breath when I saw your gorgeous velvety looking photo of Purple Lodge. Gasp. How awful that the wretched heat got the first blooms. We're having those temps, too, and it's wrecked my roses. I've got to have Purple Lodge. How large are the blooms? Do you think the plant will be a large one? I can just imagine a whole bush covered with these deep purple blooms. We will all have fainting spells over it. Keep us informed how PL does this summer. Lucky girl. Diane

The blooms are larger and more purple in cooler weather. Mine is planted near the back of the bed because P.L. Is supposed to become tall..6-7' range..

I think I have a new addition for the "What plants am I ordering for next Year" thread! ; 0 That is seriously gorgeous... like a Munstead wood on steroids. I'm thinking this might be a good replacement for CoriAnne's MW that went so orange in her heat if DD doesn't work out.

Thanks Vaporvac. DD is working out great though. Thank you Beth for the recommendation of DD in the heat! It's been gorgeous, fragrant and amazing. Purple Lodge is one that I do covet though. It's sumptuous! I won't be ordering or planting anything else for a while, so I really enjoy admiring photos of Purple Lodge in others' gardens. :-)

Diane, this bloom is only about 2½". I planted it in a huge purpley ceramic pot and placed a shabby chic white metal "dome" trellis over it so it can grow out thru it. I have no idea how big it will get. I guess it'll just be a waiting game!

Sounds wonderful, Beth. It will be fun to see PL's progress. Diane

Wow, what a color, my goodness

Oh Beth! What a beauty! How is it doing in your blazing inferno, desert? Lisa

Oooh how mesmerizing! I love that rose! I have that on my wishlist but have no idea how anyone got it or where it comes from. Some of the mail order rose sites confuse me. Like, "here's the list" and " this is the season we will ship", "we may or may not have it in stock" type of thing. Haha. I have always loved that color of purple in flowers especially roses and the swirly center is so charming on your rose! Thanks for sharing it! I will wait for your updates on how it grows and does for you.

Sheila, what a stunner and doing so well in the heat.

Candy for my eyes! wonderful plant, ladies. I'm so glad that mine is still alive in the pot even though is not doing much. Don't want to jinx myself, but even in the pot this beauty is doing great! Fingers crossed it will be doing as good when I plant it in the soil later this year...

Looks nice Sheila! Actually Lisa, mine is frying pretty good in this heat of ours! Supposedly we didn't quite hit the triple digits today. Coulda frickin' fooled me! It was too hot to go out and do anything in the yard. I'm gettin' tired of not getting anything done...

It will be interesting to see how large Purple Lodge wants to get. There didn't seem to be much info on it.

Update on Purple Lodge anyone?

I eventually got one from Burlington 3 years ago maybe 4.

It remains short, maybe 3 feet, not more. The blooms have remained small but plentiful. To me in falls in the category of its ok. It has been healthy and that is always a plus.

If anyone is having stallar results I would love to know because it could mean that my soil needs work.

OT, I'm sticking with my two Twilight Zone roses. I have no problems with them. Diane

I have three own root plants of it. One is in my front yard in part shade and it's about like yours, Christine. Short, great rebloom, blooms on the large side of medium. I have another in full sun that rooted through a pot . It's about 4' tall, great rebloom. I planted a third plant I think it was this spring. I think it gets only afternoon sun. It is taller than I am , one cane about 6'. It must be the soil over there. I planted some other plants over there such as Oshun, Radio Times, Moonlight in Paris, and they are all doing very well. Location, location, location, apparently.

From my short plant:

Sometimes I have thought to call it Burgundy Lodge but then I have seen some distinctively purple blooms on it. No whole plants pics of it but I hope my new bigger plant will invite a picture next spring.

Mine too, Kristine, has stayed very modestly sized. It is not as impressive here as Barcelona or Munstead Wood or Twilight Zone. It is OK but the blooms are smallish and mine has RMV show too although I realize that is not the end of the world.

Somehow, I thought it would be larger.

Mine has grown and bloomed very well, but the bloom is quite small and I also thought of calling it Burgundy Lodge. Definitely more a deep burgundy red than a purple, closer in color to Barcelona than Twilight Zone or Ebb Tide. Plant is well branched and vigorous, but I had just imagined a different color and a larger bloom. I made the below video after having the plant 6 months, it’s probably twice this size now.

I think the Purple Lodge in the `US all came from about 6 years ago when Ludwig's was selling in the US for a short time. (Mine was a gift , but I assume the original owner got it from Ludwigs).

There is speculation that the Purple Lodge sold in Europe is an entirely different variety, with larger, more purple blooms. Below is a pic from someone in Europe on HMF.

I do not think they are the same variety.

Wow! Ben your plant is pretty fabulous. Sadly mine is planted close to Munstead that is having a great big bloom year so Purple Lodge kind of pales in comparison. The blooms are prettier up close than from a distance. The bush is very healthy and nicely shaped so it stays.

Ben, I think your idea that Europe has a different PL makes sense.

Hi there!

One thing I have discovered about Purple Lodge is that it seemed to enjoy the heat. Here in Texas, I have a plant that was part of the Ludwig’s purchases. In Vegas, my plant was near Twilight Zone, and Ebb Tide. All three were in bloom and there was no comparison in terms of the Purple… PL had produced velvet like purple blooms I had only seen on antique roses. Those deep grape purple blooms caught my husband’s eye from across the yard. The Ludwigs plant I have here has only produced deep burgundy blooms. It is definitely growing in different conditions (clay soil versus sandy soil etc.) and I am now wondering if that is the diffference?

Btw… I checked my image info. to see when the blooms were deep purple. The image was from May, so likely low 100s in Vegas…

My PL lack of size might be poor soil. It does tolerate heat well here too.

Ben, I think you're right about the source of PL in this country. Mine came from Burling, and I reached out to her earlier this summer to ask about its origin. She said her plant came from Ludwig's daughter: "A few years ago, she came to the States and went in partnership with another rose grower in Arizona. His name was Taylor Francis. Their partnership ended and she was looking to start a nursery in Oregon. She stop by my nursery and she gave me some cuttings, and one of the roses was Purple Lodge. Whether it was the correct one or not, I really can't tell you."

I've wondered whether the cutting Burling received was accidentally mislabeled, and it might have been a similar named rose, e.g., Purple Breeze (see link below), which looks very similär to the PL circulating here in the States. Whatever it is, it's a remarkably dark rose, repeats well and has never shown any sign of disease in my garden. I do wish we could get our hands on the PL rose they're growing in Europe, though!

https://www.nirpinternational.com/en/garden-rose/209/PURPLEBREEZE

Mine was from Ludwig and now I wish it was from Burling. It might have better health.

Mine is from Burling and has been super healthy.

In theory the PL were all from Ludwig but mine is the worst RMV victim I have, but it is still pretty good so I'm not going to off it. Good to know Burling has a good one.

John

Thanks for the interesting background info. Tyler Francis , who Ludwig’s daughter was to partner with, is owner of Francis Roses, the largest rose grower in N America. They have partnerships with Delbard, Barni, Tantau and others. I am guessing Francis also grows for David Austin and Grace Rose Farms. So it didn’t work out with Ludwig’s daughter.…I know Ludwigs left abruptly and several folks like Cori Ann unfortunately never got their orders filled.

I had assumed Burling’s Purple Lodge and Ludwigs are the same, and your info corroborates that. Burling didn’t start carrying Purple Lodge until after the Ludwig’s US venture. I guess no one in North America is growing the European Purple Lodge.

I also did not get my roses but they immediately refunded my money so no complaints there! I did get purple lodge last year but there are couple of others I missed getting. I guess I couldn't have wanted them that badly because I can't even remember it's name Oh n yes, it was Candice!

Ben, Francis Roses is not that far from me, about two hours away. I pass it on the freeway every time I go to Phoenix, but unfortunately they aren’t open to the public. If they were, I would love to stop by and tour the fields. If only I could at least see the roses from the freeway!

That’s too bad Judi, I see some of their beautiful fields on instagram. I never saw any rose fields in Tyler TX either, but I think most of the rose growing has moved to AZ or CA. But Certified Roses in Tyler had an amazing rose sale at end of summer.