I've only grown a couple of these roses, know about cold hardiness only second hand, and have no information to offer about blackspot resistence. 'Awakening' gets fairly tall, is rather lanky and trainable, is thorny, has a little fragrance, mainly Wichuriana "green apple" to my nose, has fine blooms that in my garden tend to come when not much else is happening and so are the more valued. It should be cold hardy. It's a sport of 'New Dawn' and as far as I can tell is identical to its sport parent except for the form of the flowers. It may not sound like it from this description, but I'm fond of this variety. 'Aloha' is shrubby in my garden, is undoubtedly a tough rose, is not much to my taste. It has large handsome blooms, coppery pink, with a bit of green apple fragrance. If 'Mme. Caroline Testout' is the climbing form, this is another rose that can take much adversity. It has cupped pink blooms, not much fragrance, its fair share of thorns. Judging from photos of Jackie's plant in California, in warm climates it can get big; I don't know about where you live. About 'Mme. Alfred Carriere', I don't know how it does in your conditions (cold, blackspot). In favorable conditions it can get big. It gets disease in my garden but grows and blooms all the same, has few thorns and flexible canes; the blooms are lovely and are beautifully fragrant, sweet with a bit of pepper.

I only have Quietness of this list, mine is 3 years old and from ARE. It's oldest and happiest of the roses I have, BIG flushes of long lasting blooms that smell very nice and self clean well. She was 7 feet tall at the end of this season but is now cut back to 4. Gets about 7 hours of sun but would probably be happier with more, still a big gorgeous shrub with big gorgeous flowers. Some blackspot, and the Japanese beetles love it (but only eat one flush thankfully). I'm in zone 6a, Kansas City.

I also have a few Hybrid Musks, Felicia (not the climber) and Mozart but am not nearly as happy with them. They are only 2 years old but Mozart barely blooms (got this rose after seeing Belinda at the Rose Garden here) and Felicia's flowers fall aparts very fast and have no scent.

I had aloha but it was very stiff and never as full as Sara Ann's . I'm not a fan of hybrid teas so it's form wasn't for me ! It did bloom a ton and smell great but the shape just wasn't working for me !

When I lived in Pittsburgh I had lavender lassie and enjoyed it very much but it defoliated every season from blackspot. I never sprayed .

Bolero was excellent, the fragrance and I loved the blooms so much ! I lost it one rough winter in Pgh .

I grow blossomtime now and just love it ! However it's so thorny , I am dreading having to move it . I have it planted between a man eating honeysuckle and a massive butterfly bush and they took off and over the poor thing! It kept giving me blooms though! It does drop all it's petals and is just so pretty !

Cl clotilde soupert is a pain in the you know what to me. It's huge , and always seems to want to bloom when we get heavy rains so they all ball and turn into a gross mess . However this fall I was blessed with a dry season flush and the scent was heavenly! No disease. It's always on my shovel prune list but when it is going well it's unreal how beautiful it is!

I love ballerina but it isn't a climber at all for me . Fades a lot in the heat and does defoliate from black spot . I love that it attracts bees .

Rare amazing clotilde soupert :

Here you can kinda see how ballerina has some bare foliage areas and you can see you just trim off the dead flowers like a hydrangea .

Lillyfinch, somehow I missed your post. thank you. Is that Blossomtime in the bottom pic?

Unless I hear some really great things about LLassie, I may eliminate her. Blossomtime, Cl CS and Awakening were on the chopping block, but those pics may change my mind. I love A, but already have 5 New Dawns....do I need her extra petals? I will keep ballerina on the list as ARE specifies she can take a north facing wall OK.

Wish I knew how Cl. Pinkie and Peggy Martin did in partial shade or if I should consider Renae instead.

Ziyakr, where do you live in zone 6 and do you have high BS pressure? Was Belinda beautiful in your local garden?

Yes the last photo is blossomtime ! If you have that many new dawns , God bless you with all those thorns ! The blooms are gorgeous but my goodness that is not a kind Rose .

I currently grow Renae and I don't know how much shade you have but it is an amazing Rose ! So flexible , blooms all season , very little disease if any . I think a little shade would help it , as I did have some fried to a crisp blooms this summer and I mean fried! Haha the scent is great , and another favorite of bees. It's very vigorous. It will be a Rose I have in every garden if I can ! Mine grows on my pergola . It is truly lovely! Sorry I don't have better pics . I need to do a better job next summer!

I think I've eliminated Awakening, Ballerina, Yvonne Rabier, Balyse's Purple and Molineaux for this year anyway. I probably will get some gifted Molyneaux and will plant Bolero where I was going to put YR. BP requires different soil so I'll reconsider him when I plant my rugosa hedge from cuttings.

I'm without question keeping Mmme A Carriere for the 20'tall N-facing wall and Cl. Crimson Glory just because : ).

The most important area is the 8' tall x 35' long North-facing wall. There is also a perpendicular NW facing arch if that makes sense. Those listed by ARE as shade tolerant are BBath, Cl. Felicia, LLassie, cl. Pinkie, Belinda and Penelope.

I've read the Cl CSoupert,and Parade can take some shade. Anyone have any experience with that? Can Renae or Peggy Martin take shade?

Vaporvac, I'm in Independence, MO just east of KCMO. I'm pretty new to roses so not sure how to judge BS pressure, I do get some on a couple of roses (Distant Drums is the worst) but some get none at all (my 4 hybrid musks, The Fairy and Quietness especially).

Here is a link to pics I posted of Belinda at the Loose Park Rose Garden in Kansas City, MO a couple of years ago...hope it works.

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/3070188/inspiration?n=7

Vapor, I was researching a rose for my pergola and came across your post. Which Rose's did you end up picking? Thanks!

HA! I wasn't notified of your post Rekha. I was just trying to find an old one for Seil. Well, of course, I eventually got them ALL and then some!!!! because that's the way I roll! ; 0 I still don't have the arbor have been keeping many in pots. However, I am soon going to plant them inside my front brick wall which get full sun exposure. Then I'll see what does well and make the cut to the arbor whenever that gets built. : ))

Some were put on the North and East facing walls, but many failed. MAC died of wet and dank. : (( I hope to replace her as she was hardy enough and vigorous; the siting was just asking too much. LavenderLassie had to be moved.... morning sun and shade wasn't enough. The same for Viking Queen which now thrives in a sunny spot.. Ghislaine de Feligonde has replaced them in this spot and is doing very well. We'll see how she blooms soon.

I had to move the Hybrid Musks to the front of the north facing wall where they would get more sun. Penelope didn't make it through her first winter and I think I need to move Cl. Pinkie. She is probably too tender. Belinda is the star and since moving her forward I expect better from her along with Felicia. Robin Hood experienced zero cane death while Sally Holmes had a surprising amount of die-back considering she covers a large arbor in a local public garden. Ballerina is doing well with dappled morning sun and full sun in the pm.

Florentina and Phyllis Bide are doing well, but may need moving to more sun. They are southern exposure, but shaded with dappled light from redbuds. Cl. Clotilde Soupert does well in a southern exposure next to my brick house under the eaves. Lastly, Awakening does well in the northern wall, but near the front, so basically full sun after mid-am and through the pm.

Most of my climbers are still in pots. You are warm and I expect Cl. Caroline Testout and Peggy Martin and Setina would do well. Peggy is very healthy even in a pot and Setina is also quite good with amazing blooms. Blossomtime would probably also do well. Hope this helps.

Vaporvac, I have found that the older the canes get, the hardier they are.

Ballerina was a great shrub rose but never got very tall. I think you will love Ghislane De Feligonde! Very healthy and great bloomer. My Lavender Lassie was great in dappled shade after 2 years. She is great in front of a window because the scent wafts through the house!

My PenelopealsoPenelopé also did not make it through her first winter years ago.

I hope you get another MAC, mine grows against the east side of the house where it is protected from northern winds in the winter and is now about 12' tall I just noticed.

When I first got into roses Awakening was the one I really wanted, I still don't have it. Would love to see pictures of yours.

I'll try and get a picture of Awakening this year. That spot was too big a mess last year. Sometimes I just plan to Rose where I know it wants to go even those I can't get the whole area ready that way it can start to grow roots and mature and will look good by the time I finish. Problem is I never seem to be finished! LOL!

stepahie, that is so sweet and will look great! I love the story of PM. I forgot I now have two as I rooted a cane that broke off. It easily caught up in size to the original! Mine has bloomed multiple times in a pot so I expect good things once in the ground. Her foliage is so perfect.

altorama, I am going to try rooting a MAC and see if she likes it better elsewhere. What sort of light does you GdF receive? Mine has an Eastern exposure. I'm actually hoping Ballerina doesn't get too big and she's nestled in a bed next to New Dawn! ))

I think I may just try a Cl. Hydrangea for my north wall, but I worry it will grow like ivy. It's such a gorgeous plant.

Where I lived before GDF was under a huge maple and got only dappled sun but still had tons of blooms. In the new place it gets a lot more sun but I do not see a huge increase in blooms, pretty much the same.

My climbing hydrangea is about 8 years old now, and pretty easy to prune any way I want too. It will attach itself to wood as it has done on this wooden trellis that you can no longer see. It looks great all year, even in winter because of its twisting limbs and peeling bark. Blooms in the summer before the regular hydrangeas.

Food for thought. I have toyed with the notion of using a trellis instead of having it climb directly on the wall. I've always admired them. Thanks for the insight on GdF.

Altorama, I am beyond excited! I came home and on my daily walk-about noticed GdF is covered in buds!!!!! Yay!!!!! I can't wait to see her flowers. I have struggled with this spot and if she didn't make it, it was a once-bloomer or a hydrangea. I still may plant The Alchymist or Veilchenbleu, but it looks like she might do well all on her own. A once-bloomer would just add to the excitement! : ))

Here is a picture of GDF in part sun.

And here is Veilchenblau at my old house who got very little sun back then.

I'm so glad to hear your GDF is covered in buds! You will love this rose, it is very hardy for me. Post pictures when it blooms!

OMG! I think I need them both together! I hope my GdF will someday compare with yours for size. Mine only went in last Fall from a new plant.

Vaporvac I found GDF to be very vigorous.