Roses that always have fragrance
rosecanadian
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Comments (24)I agree it has to do with how sensitive your nose is and a lot to do with humidity. What you smell is oils in the rose. That is where rose essential oils come from. This explains why Bulgarian Rose Oil, Turkish Rose Oil and Damask rose oils smell distinctly different because they use different varieties under different climate conditions. In very dry climates these evaporate very quickly. This is why the strongest smell is in the morning before the roses fully open to the sun. If it rains hard the oils can be washed out or weighed down by the water droplets and less likely to be in the air where you can smell them. Similarly, it is not unusual for the first few flowers in spring to have less fragrance for me. Also, different noses are sensitive to different scents and the combination of chemicals in the oils produced by different roses are different. Some lemony and some fruity. I can hold a bottle of Jo Malone Lime Blossom perfume to my gf mother's nose and she smells nothing at all, but I think it smells so nice. Also, I have had roses that took a few years to become fragrant (PAOK). I think often time gardeners are not patient enough to wait through the Sleep, Creep, and Leap of a rose growth cycle for a new plant to get really established. During this time the fragrance is more likely to come and go. During this time I think the color and bloom form can be inconsistent too. In other words they produced more oils more consistently as they became more vigorous. I just planted a climbing Peace rose and have been warned by many that this rose takes 4 years to really flower. 4 YEARS! But I am willing to wait. Here in Texas the humidity on hot days carries more fragrance then if we were in a high dry dessert area at the same temperature. Hybrid teas love our climate, which makes them easier to grow here and many are intensely fragrant. Interestingly if you put some cut roses in a warm water and cover them under glass (like in an apothecary vase) for about 30 minutes the fragrance will really intensify. The oils evaporate in the warm water, condense on the glass and then collect on the water surface. Because the water provides a larger surface area you can smell the collected oils better. If you do this you can sometimes even smell roses that you thought were completely scentless. I learned this from another poster mariannese. It is easy to do and you can buy these jars at Michael's or World Market or Target. In short I think there are a bunch of factors. I smelled Intrigue in many stores and greenhouses and got little sent, but then took a gamble on 5$ plant at Walmart base on online comments on the garden forum and, OMG, it is amazing. I have learned a lot about fragrance and fragrant roses from roseseek as well....See MoreFavorite David Austin roses...by fragrance and visual appeal
Comments (67)I grew dozens at one point, but the only one worth of hoot is still crocus rose. I still get a small smattering of bloom on mary rose, abe darby and heritage. gone are a long list of middle aged ones, jude, sceptered ise, sharifa asma, Geoff Hamilton ect ect.. tried a lot of that time frame, most just couldn't hack it, as I tried growing on own roots, a pretty big no no here in the northeast if trying to grow marginal roses. OF ALL the austins I have grown (which included many fragrant ones people have already listed) Abe was always my favorite, Abe is a very unique fruit blend, some compare it to a wine and rose smell, I said it always smelled like grapefruit and roses to my nose. It doesn't quite compare to the best of the antiques to me, but if I had to pick one rose that was a modern to grow for fragrance it would still be Abe.. Below is crocus rose about 50% winter dieback here.. so not 100% sure in z4 it would be terrific honestly, I like crocus smell, its a mild tea scent actually. But if you cannot smell that, then it would do you any good. Some people cant....See Morefragrance disease resistant and compact roses for my garden.
Comments (39)rosecanadian Thank you for your excellent observation. Rose tissue analysis done by U of CA at Davis showed 2.5 to 3 part nitrogen, 2 part potassium, 1 part calcium, 1/10 phosphorus and 1/10 magnesium. Each year I grow 20+ OWN-ROOT roses in pots before transferring into my rock-hard & high magnesium clay. Clothilde Soupert balled badly in a 7-gallon air-pot, there's NOT enough calcium for its zillion petals. I transferred it into my clay (made fluffy ahead with tons of gypsum OR pelletized lime plus decomposed organic matter), and NO MORE BALLING !! I grow OWN-ROOT Firefighter 4 times since 2012 with different methods of fertilizing. The first time in 2012 was a success with frequent toppings of horse manure (rich in calcium & potassium), and the 1st bloom was 5 inch. across, see below. That Firefighter gave 40+ blooms as 1st-year own-root: My 2nd Firefighter back in 2015 was only 1 foot tall & gave 3 blooms max, fertilized with MG-soluble for roses, NOT enough calcium for form its canes & blooms. My 3rd Firefighter in 2019 was a wimp at less than 6 inch. tall, and gave only 2 blooms. I burnt it with wads of high phosphorus chicken manure, plus too much high phosphorus cow manure in the planting hole. I violated the principle of 3 part nitrogen & 2 part potassium & 1 part calcium and 1/10 phosphorus. My 4th Firefighter I learned my lesson and put 8 cups of pelletized lime in 12-gallon pot WAY AHEAD of time, and let rain-water dilute the calcium throughout the soil. I fertilize with alfalfa tea for nitrogen and sulfate of potash. Zero balling despite tons of rain plus using rain water only from my 7 rain-barrels. It gives 20+ blooms so far as gallon-size own-root received from Roses Unlimited this May 2022. Pic. taken this August, it's over 3 feet tall but slender and doesn't occupy much room....See MoreFragrance of Antique Roses vs Modern Roses
Comments (56)sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida 9a) SAID: "Although Mrs B R Cant might not be technically a OGR (1901), she is still pretty old lol. I really love her fragrance. I think she is one of my all time favorites . . . " BUT SHE IS AN OGR! ARS's official definition of "Old Garden Roses" is that ANY rose OF A CLASS OF ROSES that existed prior to 1867 is considered to be an "Old Garden Rose." SO, if I were to introduce a Tea Rose, say next month ... it would be an "Old Garden Rose." And people HAVE created modern-born "Old Roses". At the same time, Hybrid Musks and Polyanthas (as examples) are NOT "Old Garden Roses" because they did not exist as a class prior to 1867. Why 1867? Because that was the date of the introduction of the first Hybrid Tea Rose -- The first "Modern Rose"....See Morerosecanadian
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