Help me select one more rose for a bed

7 years ago

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I'm planning to completely redo a raised bed which is in a very prominent position, right on the side of my stoned steps on the side of the house. Whatever is there (mostly some hybiscuses suffering from chlorosis) will be uprooted, the soil will be dug, burried limestone rocks will be dug out and the soil will be heavily ammended. It is a major operation which I don't know if I will actually manage to do this year fund and effort wise but planning helps me pass these hot summer days..

Anyhow, this is not a large bed and I can only fit about 4 medium large roses in there. I want them to be healthy, floriferous and smelly.. (who doesn't) as they will be just by the main walkway of my house.

I was thinking of planting my potted Blush Noisette and Nastarana (Beales type) at the back giving them the option to climb up the side of the house if they want or grow as large bushes. To the front of them I was thinking of planting my SdlM and I will have place for one more rose by the side of it.

Can you think of a shrub rose similar in dimensions to SdlM that could fit in that spot? It has to be fragrant, wafting if possible, repeating and relatively floriferous during summer, of a pale colour that would fit the others and healthy. The bed is protected from the wind, quite warm and receiving sun from morning to early afternoon. Soil will be good but somewhat alkaline and watering adequate in my warm med climate.

A smaller Tea, an Austin, another modern shrub or something else? Extreme mildew magnets are out (I was afraid SdlM would be one but it seems she's only mildly affected during our spring and fall). Or, I can take the easy option and order a second SdlM or one of its sports (real or not)..

Did I tell you I'm impressed by my young potted SdlM which is blooming its head off right through these unnaturally hot days we have been having?

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Anne Zone 7a Northern CA

7 years ago

I like Erfurt for a spot like that 4" blooms and a simple flower to not take away from SDlM. Or Margaret Merrill for the same reasons plus being white. Both do well in the heat.

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Melissa Northern Italy zone 8
7 years ago
'Perle d'Or'? 'Sharifa Asma'? 'Felicia'? (Don't know how big this last gets, but it does waft, deliciously. SA is a reasonable size and very fragrant. DdO stays a moderate size in my garden, in fact, I wish it would get bigger.)
noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
7 years ago
Marie Pavie should fit your requirements. She blooms almost constantly, has pale pink flowers, and her fragrance wafts more than any of my other roses. I can smell even a few flowers from 6-8 feet away, even in this dry climate. She is also good next to a path since she is thornless.
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I'm not a fan of any of those options...for various reasons. Mostly because the style/scale as well as the tone doesn't look like it would compliment the bed.....although without links hard to know. The Bernhardt nightstands in your pic from Haverty's are 40 W x30 H x21 D. That is why they don't look dwarfed by the bed. Do you have room to do something like the pic Penny posted? Basically a simple open rectangle with a sturdy leg? Another thing I'd consider is taking a look at kids' dressers/desks. Some are even similar in size and shape to the Bernhardt nightstands.... https://www.perigold.com/furniture/pdp/smiling-hill-4-drawer-dresser-sta6494.html?piid=17238112 Another approach would be multi-tiered side tables, not these exact ones obviously, but again something with enough heft and presence to play nicely with that bed.
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I am not sure how this rose likes dryness- however I've had great experience with ingenious mr fairchild rose (Austin) in a neglected full sun location in my yard. No disease and when fed, produces blooms that smell fruity.

... maybe Hoovb can help you since they are in CA which is more like your climate and they grow a lot of roses! Their Evelyn rose is to die for! And all the pics and praise on Gardenforum made me purchase an Evelyn to plant this year... Enablers!!!!! Haha. Good luck!
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7 years ago
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'Clotilde Soupert' might be shorter than what you want, and she may (or may not) have "issues" in your climate, but she and SdlM are both very good roses here. And she isn't very thorny. And she smells great. Supposedly, she balls in wet weather, but we're no strangers to wet weather, and I don't recall seeing her ball here... perhaps it's cool, wet weather she doesn't like? Shouldn't be an issue there...?

As a "bookend" to SdlM, what do you think of 'Leveson Gower' or 'Kronprinzessin Viktoria'?

Have fun deciding,

Virginia
summersrhythm_z6a
7 years ago
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Old Town Novato would look really pretty in that spot....,,,I am trying to get a couple for myself.
comtessedelacouche (10b S.Australia: hotdryMedclimate)
7 years ago
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I was thinking pink and white too, Anne! But I could only think of Ballerina, which has the added benefit of pretty hips, but isn't very scented, and I'm not quite sure about its particular shade of pink with SDLM. Erfurt is perhaps a better choice, for fragrance and colour. (Though it may take a break during the hottest months, and may fade in the sun (??), which may or may not be a problem.)

Here's a link that shows it off rather well draping itself over some stone steps. Or possibly stoned steps. The only plant I've seen 'live' was similarly pleasingly sprawly to the one in the photo..

southerngarden.weebly.com/erfurt.html
monarda_gw
7 years ago
Just a suggestion -- La France, only because it is very beautiful, strongly fragrant, and would be nice to try.
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7 years ago
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Marchesa Bocella...although there seems to have been some debate regarding it and Jacques Cartier.

M.B. Is the rose that is reported as having strong fragrance.
barbarag_happy
7 years ago
Mystic Beauty, divine form and fragrance on a very low-growing plant. All the charm of SDLM but with the added bonus of healthy foliage! Not a sport of SDLM (more like a "cousin").

Sweet Chariot with its many shades of orchid/purple would be beautiful but it defoliates quite a bit in July/August. It was registered as a mini but can reach four feet across.

Help me select one more rose for a bed

Anne Zone 7a Northern CA

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Melissa Northern Italy zone 8

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