ID needed - hybrid tea?
This rose is about 6' tall, upright, and shows no signs of pruning. It's quite vigorous and is pushing new canes up from the ground. It's growing in the roots of a Western Red Cedar that is at least 100 years old (we've seen it in aerial photos from the 1920s, and it wasn't small then). Quite thorny, this one is a repeat bloomer that bloomed continually all summer last year and has no hips. It's growing in a different area than the majority of the roses, so it could be from a different era, although so far they all seem to be from around the same time period.
The buds are a coral pink, but it blooms out to a somewhat shocking bright pink. Someone who gardened here was a pink lover - the majority of roses are pink as are most of my 30' tall rhododendrons.
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weberriver
7 years agoResembles my Queen Elizabeth, actually.
Here are some links from helpmefind.com to illustrate the similarity:
QE top of bloom from helpmefind
QE's blooms along with opening buds
QE's leaf shape and new growth
QE's red stamens from helpmefind
I'm probably overlooking a pic of the thorns on helpmefind, but my QE's thorns look a lot like your bush's. And the young canes were reddish-purple like yours too. (I would have used more of my own photos, but my QE is taller than I am and in a crowded corner of the garden. Hard to get decent pics!)
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Comments (19)I suppose it could be TOR, but I really don't agree. Here is why... If you look at the first picture and bloom close-up posted by wasted wages, the bloom form is flat and almost identical to a Camelia bloom. This is a classic bloom trait of an open Sexy Rexy bloom. I have never seen TOR ever produce a bloom that looks like a Camelia. The bloom form on TOR is almost always a classic high centred and pointed HT form throughout the bloom life cycle. As they age, the bloom also opens in the center and reveals the stamens clearly. The blooms in wasted wages bush shot seem way too flat and not high centred enough to be TOR. You can even see all this in the picture that ontheteam posted up. Moreover, TOR also often has a touch of yellow in the bloom as it opens and the two tone pink colouration is typically stronger and more noticeable when its blooms open. Also, in warmer climates, Sexy Rexy may only have 2" blooms, but in colder climates, the blooms are easily 3-3.5" across on well grown and healthy plants. I grew 3 of them for many years and the blooms are far from small here. My biggest problem was that the canes would often break after a rainfall due to the weight and size of the bloom clusters and individual blooms. I'll post up some pics of Sexy Rexy and TOR in the next day or so....See MoreI need to replace hybrid tea roses with OGR or David Austin
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7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoweberriver
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7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoIt's also a much more shocking pink than the QE and more coral pink in bud. I found a couple more photos of it opening if that helps.
weberriver
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7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoIt took a bit of digging to get to the stamens...
weberriver
7 years agoHmm, it still looks very like QE in my eyes. Are you sure it wasn't deadheaded or pruned last year, preventing the formation of hips? Your plant doesn't look overgrown.
Here's Duet's stamens from HMF for comparison. And Duet sets hips too, according to the pics on HMF.
Here are some pics of my QE to compare (the blooms are lasting maybe two days in the sun, blah):
Fuller view of the bush:
Also HMF has some pics of QE showing colors more similar to yours:pugetsoundgardener
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoIt hasn't been pruned, but I remember deadheading it a bit last year. It does look quite a bit like my QE but the colors are definitely different - I've not seen that coral color in my QE.
My QE
Pink rose #3
My QE
Pink rose #3
My QE
Pink rose #3
Huh. Maybe I'll resist deadheading it this year and see if it sets hips. I'll see if I can catch a bud opening on the QE too. It's well over my head so I may have missed the coral color?
weberriver
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7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoThey've been very obliging and both have blooms opening at the same time. Pink rose #3 definitely has a coral color not seen in Pink rose #1. They could definitely be different ages, and they're definitely growing under different conditions as well. Or possibly #1 isn't QE at all as you say.
Also the paler one (#1) is in the shade, while the darker one gets a lot more sun every day. That was one of my questions, how much color variation can you get in the same rose? Because they do look remarkably alike to me apart from the color variation, though I'm no expert.
What do you think about Duet? Or are the stamens all wrong?
Pink rose #1
Pink rose #3 - more coral colored in bud and early bloom
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