My Collection of Jades - Crassula Ovatas so far (Need ID Help too!!)
What a great weekend, the CT Show and Sale was spectacular. (though I was hoping to see more show plants, but it was smaller in scale compared to the MT show)
The vendors were the real deal for visiting this show, it was a organized chaos, but the CT team did really well, almost knowing that they expected the crowd and frenzy for the love of these plants.
For me the highlight of the show was meeting Glenn, an exceptional grower! Very knowledgeable the his field of Bonsais and Jades.
He was so kind to share with me his cuttings.. whipping them out one after another.. and telling me the names of each one. I can now say my Jade collection is at completion, I don't think I need any more new Jades.
I've managed to name the first 5, and I think I'm right..
1) Hobbit (True Dwarf Hobbit)
2) Skinny Fingers
3) Gollum
4) Denethor
5) Hummel Sunset
I need help with 6-9
6) Sauron?
7) Maruba Nishiki?
8) Ripple Jade / Blue Waves 1?
9) Waves 2?
-- Closeup --
I'll post more photos of my other Jades later in the thread..
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ehuns27 7a PA
8 years agolast modified: 8 years ago
Martin
8 years agolast modified: 8 years agoRelated Discussions
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Comments (72)Hi Ben.. I live in a 3rd story apartment in London Over the past few years I have been growing some Crassula to provide partial window screening.. My original plan was to have them shaped something like African savannah trees. It has sort of worked.. Although not strictly savannah like, this one has turn out best I think.. One problem I have is the older leaves tend to fold down, which is not bad, but not so savannah like. I would prefer if they were more horizontal. Any advice on that? Great page by the way, there are many useful tips here.. Ian...See MoreCrassula ovata 'Jades'
Comments (21)Regfrigs are kept at 45F they can handle that. I always put the tulip bulbs in the refrig, and they flower for me the past 30 years or more. On a more serious matter, and on topic. I don't believe it's the age of the plant that make them flower, it's the growing conditions you are applying. "Jade" like to crowded. I am always surprised when one of my cuttings come into flower after only one season. But I live in Calif. so I do things differently then anyone else. Only my plants reward me. They grow on rocky hillsides. Just don't try so hard to root them, lay them on top of the soil and see what happens. Norma...See MoreHow's my jade (crassula ovata) doing? :D
Comments (12)Jenna Sunlight will loose quite a bit of intensity passing thru the glass. And many windows are low E/UV protection. It may be very bright to us, but not as intense as we think to plants - definitely not in our zones IMO. I keep all succulents outdoors as soon as it is warm enough. They stay in full sun from sunrise 'till sunset. Few succulents do not need so much sun, so they are in location where there is mostly morning sun. Aquarium gravel will work, sometimes it could be bigger than ideal. As grains are getting bigger, there will be more difference in size between soil and grit and it may loose some of the drainage. Many of us use chicken grit - these particles are very close in size to perlite (or pumice and turface if using), especially if sifted (I sift or at least rinse perlite): You said: ..."I used my own mix of cactus soil w/50% perlite and course sand"... If I understand correctly, there is 50% C&S soil, and other 50% is made of perlite and grit. I think that's pretty good - personally, I wouldn't be afraid of using less soil (if any) and more of the other 2 ingredients. Doesn't mean you need to change your mix, as long as it is draining well and doesn't stay wet for too long. Your plants look nice - uniform growth, shiny leaves and they are not 'bending' toward light source. I see new growth everywhere. The reddish color will be there in more sunlight - but they do not look light-hungry (etiolated, discolored) now. If you have garden or terrace or balcony, maybe you can keep 1 pot indoors and 1 outdoors, to see if any difference. If you do that, make sure that plant going outdoors as acclimatized to sunlight - they will definitely get sunburn if not (difference between strong light indoors and direct sunlight outdoors is quite big - sunburn happens same to plants as to ppl :)....See MoreCrassula / Jade collecting (Looking for UK sellers)
Comments (53)Lovely photos thank you, never seen a mature branch taking root! They recover so fast :O As for pollination you're right, pollinating one Green Crassula Ovata with another Green Crassula Ovata will more than likely result in the same plant; you'd have to be the luckiest person on the planet for that method to throw out a new variant (The results will unlikely be good (Inbreeding))... What's even worse is that because Most Crassula Ovatas (Or succulents in general) are reproduced by clones their DNA is too similar (Normally identical) to successfully pollinate (And create a seed), if pollen with DNA contacts a flower with the same DNA the flower will die (To prevent wasted energy and inbreeding, as a seeds main job is variation and evolution). However, Hybridising two different species is different (So long as they share the same plant family (Crassula) and are close enough to still be compatible (Not always), same with grafting. If you got the pollen from something dissimilar (Noticeably different) it will certainly have different DNA, you could try and cross a Crassula Gollum with a Crassula Marginata and you could result in something entirely new (Crassula Gollum X Marginata), a deep red Gollum... yummy! Best way to do this is to ensure that bugs play no part in pollination, cover the flowers you wish to pollinate with a plastic sandwich bag (+elastic band), when the flowers are open collect pollen from one plant by hand and 'paint' it onto another flower (Delicately), then re-cover it and wait for the seed. If they flower at different times of the year you can pop that pollen in a container and store it in the fridge (Humidity is your enemy though, so some humidity cellulose packets will help). I've done it successfully with Orchids which flowered at different times of the year (It produced viable seeds) but I just didn't know how to germinate the seeds (As we said near the start of this nice conversation, no easy task)....See Moreehuns27 7a PA
8 years agoMartin - I have seen 6 referred to as both Blue Jade and Blue Hale. Is there a difference between the two or is it just two different names for the same plant?
1 is a cutting from the true form of 'Hobbit'. The larger leaf variety should actually be called 'Horn Tree'. Below is a picture of 'Hobbit' with the smaller leaves.
I am not sure about 3 - I think it could be 'Horn Tree' as I noticed he had some of those on his table for sale but I would wait to see the new growth before making a determination. It could be a cutting with a combination of leaves.
-Erica
breton2
8 years agoehuns27 7a PA
8 years agobreton2
8 years agoMartin
8 years agoMartin
8 years agobreton2
8 years ago
nanzjade z5 MA
8 years ago#6 Blue Hale
#7 Lancaster Variegate
#8&9 may be the same... Undulatifolia #1
Glen kindly gave me some cuttings too...-Nancy
ehuns27 7a PA
8 years agobernardyjh
8 years agolast modified: 8 years agoHey folks, not trying to be a wet blanket but.. you better check on all your cuttings.. When I was trying to pot them last night, I found some fuzzy nest hidden on one of the gollum/skinny finger's crevices..
So don't get too excited and add all the cuttings into your collection's premises - THEY SPREAD FAST! Best to quarantine them, then slowly introduce them to the rest of your plants..
Disclaimers aside..
Erica/Martin/Breton - I'll just label #6 as Blue Hale for now
Martin - I remembered clearly that Glenn labelled #1 as a true hobbit because of its dwarf scale. #2 as Skinny Fingers because of the thin tips, and #3 as Gollum because of its folds. (Or maybe I have them inverted) #4 is a Denethor, no further question.
#5 I'll just label as Hummel for now
Erica/Nancy thanks for the id through #6-9
#6 Blue Hale
#7 Lancaster Variegated
#8 Undulatifolia #1
#9 Undulatifolia #2 ( I remembered he gave us 2 versions of waves and he said it was vers 1 and vers 2)
Martin
8 years ago
oks2n2_Siberia1
8 years agoBernard
#1 is 'Hobbit'
#2 looks more as 'Gollum' than #3
#6 - 'Blue Hale' or arborescens angustifolia? I don't sure javascript:repic('Nikita/Crassulaceae/Crassula-angustifolia-NikitaBG-Lapshin-2007.jpg','hru1')
#7 - crassula ovata 'Lutea'
About undulatifolias: 'Blue Waves'
'Blue Bird'
bernardyjh
7 years agoHey folks, apologies for the mini hiatus! Been a busy month at work..
I finally got some photos taken this weekend with some really beautiful weather out at my patio.. Enjoy!
These variegated plants are some of my recent collection I bought online last December. So far, they have been performing better under lights..
10) "Gollum" Varigated
I tried rooting a leaf cutting from this plant, but sadly, it died. All the new growth produced were albino leaves, being ghost white they slowly drained and died after the original leaf cutting wilted.
Dec 2015
11) "Hobbit" Variegated, rooted as a small cutting (Small variegation on a leaf)
Dec 2015
12) Tricolor (Common Variegation - or commercially cultivated)
bernardyjh
7 years ago13) Red Horn Tree
Seems to be a very slow growing species.. perhaps because I've been growing under lights for many months now, but I'm patiently waiting for it to put on more growth.
14) Blue Hale or Undulata Waves 1
This one has met with many unfortunate scenarios, first it was mealy, then it got burnt as I rushed to put it outdoors, yet the leaves were scorched with shade protection during the cool spring weather.
15) Gollum
This guy had come a long way since I bought it last year from Home Depot as a mini few inch cutting.You can read more about him here, my very first jade plant.
Similar to the ripple waves, this one is also tender to some sunburnt. Am slowly acclimatizing it to more light. I've also realized that this plant isn't really a great fan of the gritty mix. After repotting it 3x, now it's doing much better with more a moisture retentive mix.
ehuns27 7a PA
7 years agoSinha
7 years agobernardyjh
7 years ago16) Hummel Sunset
Another edition from a very generous member from the forum, Neil.
This plant came to me as a cutting with 1 small stem, which I had a hard time establishing, after months of it looking on the verge of dying, the plant is finally putting out some good growth and it has begun branching to the sides.
Also sensitive to sudden amounts of light, the plant suffered some burns too.
May 2015
17) Hobbits from Howard
These generous cuttings were one of my first jades in my collection, thanks to Howard for being so kind to share me a bucket loads of em. They started out pretty rough, and to be honest, I was ready to throw in the towel and chuck them into the bin, but miraculously, the continue to steadily put out more new growth.
bernardyjh
7 years agolast modified: 7 years ago18) Hobbits from Howard
These are more cuttings from Howard, each have their true character when I first got them. Especially this one, noticeably its leaves looking like a pair of bunny ears.
May 2015
- Hobbits + Gollum from Howard
I always thought these guys were a goner when my attempt in rooting them on the gritty mix gave me very tough results. They were so wrinkly and almost on the verge of death when I patiently waited for the roots to appear for months.
Lastly in my most desperate attempt, I chucked out the soil, remixed them in a non-bark porous version. Watered it once, and over a course of a few weeks, I watched these 2 plants mildly regain its vigor bit by bit. By spring, the plants begun showing its leaves true to its name, a hobbit and a gollum.
May 2015
bernardyjh
7 years agoThanks Erica!! Jades weren't always the top of my priority in my collection, but once they are established, they are very beautiful and faithful growers. Unyieldingly showing great colors and shapes.
The variegated breeds are much more tender, I still keep them under lights. When they burn, they really sulk for months.
All the photos were taken this past weekend, so to answer your question, these are all their current state now.
I believe the 'Red Horn Tree' can get even redder with colder temps and higher light. I think mine has quite a while to go..
This is how mine looks during the winter when I first got it.
What is your more moisture retentive mix? I have a similar issue with my 'Skinny Finger' jade and my 'Break Dancer' jade.
Now I lose the bark, and I replace it with rich loam, pumice and growstones. So my mix comprises of Turface, Grit, Pumice, Growstones and Loam (I love the fox farm ones). If I want it to retain more moisture, I just add more loam and turface. Almost immediately I see the jades react faster and hold tighter in the new mix.
In the winter, since most of my plants were under lights, I kept them in nursery trays, and I water the tray every few days when its bone dry - because we usually have the heater on. The bottom watering method works really well on cuttings as it encourages the roots to dig deeper, and at the same time it doesn't wet the surface soil causing rot at the stem.
If you have some budget, try investing in a seedling mat and do the bottom watering method - give bright filtered light (aka behind a window is good enough). My cuttings grow relatively well when all these conditions are ideal.
btw - I went to theBrooklyn Botanical Garden Sale, it was MAYHEM! Even on the members day. There weren't much C&S in general, but if you love plants, there were an array of collections. My highlight was seeing a couple drag home the massive $40 jade plant and a couple of giant cacti.
rooftopbklyn (zone 7a)
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoHadn't seen this thread, stunning collection Bernard, and man I wish I went to that ct show. Amazing collection of cuttings you have there. I guess by now all are plants :)
I find that Relative Humidity (RH) of environment is biggest factor in how often I need to water inside during the winter. Can make the difference between every day and every week in extreme cases. I've been using pumice/turface/grit combo, with more pumice than anything else, grit to add some weight and structure, and turface as needed to increase water retention.
I use the smaller grade pumice from General Pumice (they call it 1/8") for cases where more water retention is really needed, but haven't conclusively tested the difference it makes.
Red Horn Tree's really spectacular feature is the fade from green - yellow - red, the yellow is the unique part. Regular hobbit and horn tree readily exhibit red edges and leaf surface with the right flavor of stress.
below isn't a great showing of the color, but gives you an idea of what I mean. It's not really about the red, but the yellow.
Daniel
ehuns27 7a PA
7 years agobernardyjh
7 years agobernardyjh
7 years agoJade Folks,
All of my cuttings from Glenn are growing crazy. I think I might have to give them away before winter comes, there is no way I can bring all my plants back in my tiny apartment. Anyhow, just sharing how much they have grown in the past few months.
Denethor
Skinny Finger
Gollum
Lancaster Variegate
nomen_nudum
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agobernardyjh
7 years ago
bernardyjhOriginal Author