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Bad idea to buy a new but discontinued Bosch dishwasher?
Comments (9)Bad how? Please do not take that as snarky. It is hard to help you when we do not know what the concern is. Are you looking for re-assurance about about buying a previous year's model of anything? (Can't help you with that.) Are you worried that Bosch is now going to something radically better or at least so different that there will not be any more parts to service your DW if it needs work? (Don't worry. It will happen but not for a decade or longer.) Or are you worrying that the recent 800-series DWs might be turkeys? If your concern is about the 800 series, generally, do a search here. I recall numbers of postings about Bosch DWs and the 800 series, specifically. If those posts do address your specific concerns, or you need something about a particular model, make a new post and include the Bosch model number in your subject line. I just went through the research process myself. My vintage 20th-century DW died last weekend and I had to undertake the daunting task of researching replacements. Bosch DWs are regarded pretty favorably, although some people have received lemons. Consumer Reports rated the 800 series pretty highly (the main complaint being the very high prices for some of the models in the series.) My recollection is that most folks here liked the 800 series models although some had personal preferences that the Bosch layout did not satisfy. In that regard, you might want to take some dishes and pots to the store to make sure that interior layout will work for you with the pots, pans and glasses you may be putting in it. I wound up with a 500 series model and the layout of tines and baskets is different from the way things used to be arranged. The new layout is okay for me but might not work for everybody....See MoreDon't want to get sick? Get a dishwasher.
Comments (37)When you look into the facts of dishwashers, a lot of people have quit using them. Of course there's a place for them, and PROPERLY USED they can be a valuable tool. But therein lies the problem. So many people think they can put them in there, then try to save money by turning down their electric water heaters to the point that Legionella can grow. Then they use that underheated and bacteria-infested water in their dishwasher to splash day-week old food around, not totally unlike a petri dish, and then disable the dryer to save money on the economy cycle and sit in there until the next use. Now anyone who has even basic grade school science background may remember that bacteria grows well in warm, moist surroundings. Hmm. Where would that be? There's a lot of differing opinions out there. I've read many of the arguments on both sides of this and have formed my own opinions. Hand washing properly can be better than machined improperly and vice-versa. But to say you won't get sick using a dishwasher isn't using much common sense but I certainly understand the sales pitch. I haven't had a (mechanical) dishwasher in over 25 years. The doctor visits I've had were primarily for broken bones and other things that certainly were not caused by handwashing dishes. If you like dishwashers, good for you and enjoy using them. Just don't get caught up with all the misinformation that is available on the internet. The internet, like the dishwasher, PROPERLY USED, can be a valuable tool, but there's so much misinformation out there, plus outright lies that believing everything can cause you a lot of trouble. And Dorothy is certainly not spam. A couple seconds of checking, even just looking at a member page should have removed that question. But some just seem to want to......See Moreneed to buy new dishwasher Kitchenaid vs Bosch
Comments (31)Old thread I know, but I did want to sadly, amend my above statement about my Whirlpool dw in case anyone is digging through old threads to decide which brand dw to buy. I did love my Whirlpool dw more than a person should love a dw, but now it is ready for the heap. It was the best dw I ever had and everything always did come out sparkling clean each cycle. But in the last year, I've had 4 or 5 (I've lost count) significant repairs, including a new motor a few months ago. It's current death knell is the new motor is dead. I am done having to wait weeks on end for the repair tech to come out, decide the problem, order the part, then wait weeks longer to make it onto his schedule to replace parts. The machine has been out of service as much as it was in service for a year now. Yesterday was my 5 year anniversary of taking delivery of the Whirlpool dw and here I am awaiting delivery of a Bosch dw, that I hope will have a better track record over time. I guess what I am saying is, I hope to get at least 5 trouble-free years out of the new dw. I'm disappointed as I loved this dw and I sorely miss it--been without it's service for nearly a month again. But, now I don't trust that repairs will last any length of time and if a new motor only has a few month life span, I'm not getting back on board with Whirlpool :-( I have no way of knowing if Whirlpool replacement parts are crud or if the repair tech being sent out by the warranty company is the dud. I'll never know at this point. I found this thread because delivery of new Bosch dw has been delayed another week and I wanted to use this grumpy time to do more research to make sure I didn't get myself into another unpleasant situation--this thread showed up on the search results. I'm sorry to report this news, but this thread has been a concern of mine for a year now since all the major problems started happening with my Whirlpool dw and didn't know where it could possibly be in the website here. I'm glad it showed up for my recent search so I could amend my statement. I'm sorry if my above comments led anyone to a troublesome path. Very much so....See MoreBosch Dishwashers don't need air gaps?
Comments (13)I installed an air gap for my dishwasher because it made sense to have it for sanitation safety purposes. If your Bosch dishwasher has a backflow preventer then you're that much safer, but why not have both in case the backflow preventer on your dishwasher fails. However, if you want to check the code then you could call the San Francisco Office of Building Inspection and ask them. I also did a quick online search and this is what I found. From the 2013 California Plumbing Codes (Scroll down to page 56): "414.3 Drainage Connection. Domestic dishwashing machines shall discharge indirectly through an air gap fitting in accordance with Section 807.4 into a waste receptor, a wye branch fitting on the tailpiece of a kitchen sink, or dishwasher connection of a food waste grinder. Commercial dishwash- ing machines shall discharge indirectly through an air gap or direct connection in accordance with Section 704.3 with floor drain protection." http://www.iapmo.org/2013%20california%20plumbing%20code/chapter%2004.pdf From the City of Palo Alto, Building Division, Final Inspection Form (scroll down to the top of page 16): "Airgaps required - No domestic dishwashing machine shall be directly connected to a drainage system of food waste disposer without the use of an approved dishwasher airgap fitting on the discharge side of the dishwashing machine. Listed airgaps shall be installed with the flood-level (FL) marking at or above the flood level of the sink or drainboard, whichever is higher.(2010 CPC section 807.4)" https://www.cityofpaloalto.org/civicax/filebank/documents/17668 Palo Alto is close to San Francisco so I imagine they would follow similar plumbing codes....See Morequasifish
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