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Bosch or Miele. KA is junk

Love my Bosch. Kitchen aids were the best years ago, but I haven’t had good luck with more recent models.

Installed a Bosch 4 months ago - love it.

Love our new Bosch (installed in May 2017). Quieter even than advertised/promised. Cleans well. (Long cycles, though.) Saving us on electricity.

Bosch!

OP, Kitchenaid was my first choice as they may tend to be a bit deeper (larger) than European DW's and my past experience with Kitchenaid was wonderul, but after thorough review, they have gone down in quality. I recommend either the Bosch or Miele as others have suggested - either one I don't think you'd be unhappy at all. Some have heating elements, some don't, so you need to know if that is important to you. The use of a quality dish rinse helps greatly with the lack of heating element so I personally do not see that as an issue.

We are installing Fisher Paykel DW drawers, and I understand going in that they also may have issues, especially if installed poorly, but we want the drawers for convenience.

Bosch - I have a 15 year old at one house and a one year old at the other and very satisfied with both. I had a top of the line Miele in my previous home and much prefer the Bosch. 800 series Bosch was half the price of what I paid for the Miele 12 years ago.

2ManyDiversions, I have a double DD 14+yo. To be sure, they're not for everyone. For example, large cookie sheets and platters don't fit or can be awkward to load so they're not a good fit for someone who does a large volume of baking and expects to machine-wash all the pans ... but I assume you've done due-diligence in that regard.

Thus far for repairs, I've replaced the link supports (supports for the wires and hoses to hang and fold behind the drawers when opened/closed), the drain hoses due to age cracks (they flex and move each time a drawer is opened/closed), the inlet valve, and both of the little LCD boards due to backlight failure (which doesn't prevent the machine from running).

The link supports were changed years ago to an improved style, mine were still the original design. The LCD boards were also improved for protection against moisture condensation. I expect to get another 10 to 14 years use out of it.

We replaced 2 different KAs in 2 different houses, both with Bosch. Hated the KAs, loved the Bosch.

However, we now have the F&P Dishdrawers. We wanted a Bosch but found out that our countertops were about 1/2" too low for it to fit. The DD were our best option. They are definitely louder than a Bosch but I love them far more than I expected. For us (just a household of 2) the smaller loads are awesome. No more of the top rack filled with coffee cups and wine glasses while the bottom is mostly empty!

Regardless of what you get - triple check the dimensions. I always thought that DWs were pretty much the same size. What a difference 1/2" can make!

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Bosch

We replaced our 13 yo Bosch with a Bosch SHM78W55N just last month. There have been some changes in the wash cycles and loading racks. Takes a little getting used to but we're liking it so far.

dadoes, thank you for all the great info! I'll pass it on to my DH, who's as handy as you are in case we ever experience issues (also noted there's a long post in Appliances addressing issues). Yes, did our due diligence as noted here on GW, and you are correct, it won't hold my favorite cookie sheets, but those and only a few other items (very few now) I hand wash.

Bosch all day long, any model, cant go wrong. Quietist dishwasher and best performer.

Bosch, hands down.

I have had a Bosch for several years, and I do like it. But the layout of the racks is problematic for my dishes. The top rack is the worst. So I end up being able to load a lot less than my previous machine.

I too have a Bosch which I'm happy with. It cleans well and is quiet. However, like hibiscus909 the racks are not designed for anything I need to wash. It means the dishwasher really holds a lot less. I find it annoying. Has anyone ever ordered racks from another line that configures things better and installed them in a Bosch?

Inga

"Has anyone ever ordered racks from another line that configures things better and installed them in a Bosch?"

I have thought about it and probably will try --- when I have more time to properly search for it. I agree that the configuration isn't very efficient (for me, it's the lower rack), but the other things about my Bosch are so great, I'm happy to put up with it.

You can't wrong with any of these brands. People on Houzz are cult-fans of Bosch DW, but KA and Miele are both great too. Think about what options you actually need and will use. The Bosch is quieter, and heats water to 160, vs. 140/150 for KA. The Miele all have three arms, so are a little louder but clean top rack well, and have the best dryer bc of how it ports air into the DW after cycle. You pay for the Miele tho. I am choosing KA b/c of the extra rebate I'll get but would do Bosch if I had to just get a DW as a stand alone.

Hi, has anyone used whirlpool dishwashers? If yes, would you recommend it. I’m leaning towards it for the extra space as the silverware basket is in the door. Thanks in advance

Miele doesn't have the nationwide service network of Bosch or KA.

Something to consider when it breaks down.

MRB

I hate my Bosch 18" dishwasher - stupid racks on the bottom, useless racks in the middle. The cutlery pull-out at the top is good. But the dishwasher hardly holds anything, and if plates aren't placed in every other spot, vs close together where the tines are, they don't get clean. Nor does anything around the walls.

We had an el cheapo Kenmore portable 18" dishwasher years ago that took double the amount of stuff, actually cleaned everything, and didn't take 2.5 silent hours to accomplish it.

Onlybaba,

I have a Whirlpool dishwasher that looks identical to Sea Sea's. Only mine is badged as Whirlpool Gold. Purchased it from Menard's for $299 around 2 years? ago.

Similar issue as SeaSea with the tabs on the upper rack. Too easy to disengage--like if a glass bumps against it too hard. (Zip tie fix noted. Thank you, SeaSea.)

One other small issue. The retainer cap on one of the upper rack glides started coming off. I reinstalled it several times and finally ended up gluing it in place with some Lexel several months ago. All good since then.

Don't care for the handle design. The areas where the handle attaches to the DW tend to collect gunk and are not easy to clean. I would prefer a DW without a protruding handle.

Mine is the stainless steel version which is a PITA to keep looking clean. Should have gotten a black/ white painted one. OTOH, that wasn't an option when I purchased it at Menard's at a great sale price.

Excellent cleaning performance. Best DW that I have ever owned. The only things that don't come out 100% clean are peanut butter spoons (DS doesn't lick those clean, like a normal person would) and an occasional crusty casserole dish. (I have unsoftened moderately hard water supply.)

Very quiet. Yes, the cycles are pretty long but that has not been a problem (and I thought it would be.) I haven't timed the actual run time but I should because I don't think the cycles are really as long as the DW is telling me they are going to be.

Like SeaSea, yes, I would buy this DW again.

Just say No to Bosch, it's like returning to the Dark Ages...having to use powder, scrape and rinse your dishes, and taking dishes out that are still dirty, discolored stainless, water spots, rust spots, and the interior stinks. Ugh. My whole sorry saga is here. https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/5251310/new-dishwasher-kitchenaid-vs-bosch

Thanks a million Sea Sea and ci_lantro, I appreciate your detailed comments on the whirlpool dishwasher. It made my decision easier to go with that brand. Thank you again. God Bless

I have been reading about some Bosch dishwashers catching fire.

Old thread I know, but I did want to sadly, amend my above statement about my Whirlpool dw in case anyone is digging through old threads to decide which brand dw to buy.

I did love my Whirlpool dw more than a person should love a dw, but now it is ready for the heap. It was the best dw I ever had and everything always did come out sparkling clean each cycle. But in the last year, I've had 4 or 5 (I've lost count) significant repairs, including a new motor a few months ago. It's current death knell is the new motor is dead. I am done having to wait weeks on end for the repair tech to come out, decide the problem, order the part, then wait weeks longer to make it onto his schedule to replace parts. The machine has been out of service as much as it was in service for a year now.

Yesterday was my 5 year anniversary of taking delivery of the Whirlpool dw and here I am awaiting delivery of a Bosch dw, that I hope will have a better track record over time. I guess what I am saying is, I hope to get at least 5 trouble-free years out of the new dw.

I'm disappointed as I loved this dw and I sorely miss it--been without it's service for nearly a month again. But, now I don't trust that repairs will last any length of time and if a new motor only has a few month life span, I'm not getting back on board with Whirlpool :-( I have no way of knowing if Whirlpool replacement parts are crud or if the repair tech being sent out by the warranty company is the dud. I'll never know at this point.

I found this thread because delivery of new Bosch dw has been delayed another week and I wanted to use this grumpy time to do more research to make sure I didn't get myself into another unpleasant situation--this thread showed up on the search results.

I'm sorry to report this news, but this thread has been a concern of mine for a year now since all the major problems started happening with my Whirlpool dw and didn't know where it could possibly be in the website here. I'm glad it showed up for my recent search so I could amend my statement. I'm sorry if my above comments led anyone to a troublesome path. Very much so.