Sauce gets watery and slides off meat!
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Ncfhp Spaghetti Sauce Without Meat.....uses oil??
Comments (14)Oh you bet Carol!! Beans is one of those things I am waiting till winter for, as I will have to buy them in the store anyway. How did you read my mind?! :-) I have frozen at least 100 pounds of blanched, seeded tomatoes for fall projects as well. Dehydrating herbs is a winter project with herbs I'll be growing in the greenhouse. I am not opposed to buying produce and canning it at home, no matter the price, for the experience. Everytime I do it, I learn and improve. In the past 20 years, I would purchase commercial flower seed year round, and grow many plants under grow lights in my home. When I say grow lights, I mean at one point and time I had 65 shop lights in my attic rooms. I would grow plants from seed to flower, and the plants never made it into the garden, because I would throw them out and start all over again. For the experience, practice, and skill. I would do this year round and I cannot tell you where I would be had I not done so. Years later, the greenhouse was built, and the rest is history. When I want to do something, nothing stops me. But doing things correctly slows down "gung ho" determination when it comes to food safety. Perfect practice makes perfect.........See MoreWhy doesn't my spaghetti sauce taste like Hunt's spaghetti sauce?
Comments (25)"But actually it isn't all that difficult to know the approved ones as there are so few of them for spaghetti sauce since it is a low acid product. NCHFP/USDA publications, which includes the ones in So Easy to Preserve, and those in the Ball/Bernardin books. That's it. There aren't any in Small Batch Preserving." Well, it may not call itself spaghetti sauce, but there is "Chunky Basil Pasta Sauce" with fresh herbs and veges in Small Batch Preserving, and also "Roasted Vegetable Pasta Sauce" with both veges and fresh herbs in Small Batch Preserving, and also "Seasoned Tomato Sauce" with veges and fresh herbs that Small Batch Preserving suggests using in "pasta sauces, soups, stews, pizza, or casseroles." So, although the OP did leave the door open to reasonable questions about recipe safety, it is also good to take care in making broad statements about recipes which include such phrases as "there are no recipes which. . .", or "all approved recipes for (pasta sauce, salsa, whatever) MUST be. . ." since there may well be a safe recipe which allows such processing. For example: you CAN use fresh herbs in the approved NCHFP spaghetti sauce recipe, as this email from Elizabeth Andress states: Thank you for visiting the National Center for Home Food Preservation. > question -> Spaghetti Sauce without Meat: > 1. Can I eliminate the celery/peppers completely? > 2. Can I use fresh herbs or only dried? > 3. Can I add basil (fresh or dried)? > 4. Can I eliminate the sugar? For our particular procedures: http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/how/can_03/spaghetti_sauce.html You can leave out the celery and peppers completely, leaving everything else the same. (The mushrooms are already optional, also.) If you use fresh herbs, make sure they are very clean. I can only recommend using the equivalent volume measures, though, and that may not give you the flavor you desire. Eg., instead of 2 TBSP dried oregano, use 2 TBSP minced fresh oregano. I do not have enough information to know the upper limit on how much fresh to add, so that's all I can suggest without testing. (which we cannot do). You can use basil as a substitute for one of the other herbs (eg, you may not want the parsley with basil). Or, if you are leaving out the celery and peppers completely, you could add 2 to 4 TBSP of basil. Yes, you can eliminate the sugar in this recipe. The chopped celery and/or peppers and the sugar add a little moisture/liquid in many recipes. In this particular sauce, however, it is cooked down to thickened consistency anyway, so the amount of liquid that would be added by these ingredients would not be important as it might be in other types of food products/mixtures. Best wishes, Elizabeth Andress -------------------------------------- Elizabeth L. Andress, Ph.D. Project Director, National Center for HFP Professor and Extension Food Safety Specialist Department of Foods and Nutrition The University of Georgia 208 Hoke Smith Annex Athens, GA 30602-4356 Phone: (706) 542-3773 FAX: (706) 542-1979 -----------------------------------------------...See MoreSpaghetti sauce watery
Comments (59)Sleevendog, I read the Rao's (only bottled restaurant name on the store shelf) Marinara jar and there are no emulsifiers or anything. Tomatoes and oil, and other veg and spice. You can see that the oil separates a bit. I still think it's the oil that makes it stick, though, of course, if there are chemicals in the sauce, it could certainly help it along. I don't doubt that there are places with good tomatoes all over Italy. Just like in where I live in SoCal, I can get good tomatoes all year round. Though they have occasional periods when they aren't the very best, they're always available in quality that most people would consider excellent. Twenty miles from where I live, there are areas where it's hard to get any decent produce at all. I'm sure the "Italians" who were being spoken of as always using canned tomatoes were ordinary home cooks. That's whom I've heard it from. They think that the good cans have the ripest tomatoes in any season, and half the work is done for them, in making the puree. I have made sauces from 100% fresh, but I honestly can't tell the difference when it's done, other than having to put a lot more salt in. I have to thank you for the starch water explanation! I'd always heard this about using the starch water for thickening from TV chefs, and was baffled since I've never seen that much starch in the water and didn't realize they weren't really talking to me. The water for a restaurant's fill of dishes of pasta would be very different. And your point about thickening the spaghetti sauce with starch is something I never would have thought of (I don't finish my chili with masa, either), so thanks for teaching me a new trick....See Morewatery ketchup
Comments (15)I used to use Heinz exclusively. Used to use a lot of it and always had to shake it. Even when it was a thicker product. Tried Hunts and switched to them. Taste was noticeably better to me. Even some store brands were better than Heinz. Was interesting to see a few taste tests on TV (America's Test Kitchen for one) who were former Heinz endorsers who went to Hunts. I buy the Hunt's 100% Natural now. I tried the Heinz Organic and Simply Heinz and didn't care much for either. Tried the "hot" version too. Nothing special about it either IMO. More expensive too. And they're definitely not the "s..l..o..w" ketchup anymore! I don't use much ketchup these days. I use more BBQ sauce, Ranch or something like that when I need or want a sauce or I make a fry sauce. Even for adding to recipes when I want tomato flavor I tend to use more tomato puree rather than ketchup. Don't need all that extra sugar (and other things) in there. But occasionally I want a dab of ketchup on something so I keep a bottle of Hunt's 100% Natural around. Although I do shake it (now a force of habit from the Heinz days) I don't think it's a necessary as often as with the big dog in the ketchup biz....See More- 10 years ago
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