Is My System Completely Out of Date? Tired?

8 years ago

Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz 3.00 GHz

Installed RAM 4.00 (3.24 GB Usable)

W/7 HOme 64 Bit

33.5GB Free of 74.5 GB = 55% Full HD

CPU usage hits 100% on most operations. Web sites are slow loading etc. HD is only about half full. Several years old now. W/7 Home Premium. I've never been sure my comp was really strong enough for W/7 but it did come with and ran good with XP Pro.

Only thing I can figure filling up the HD is the Windows Updates. Only 227Mb of pics - I don't keep many - no gigantic files. Running both Adblock+ and Adfender. Turning them off doesn't seem to make a diffrunc. Is my old outfit just getting tired?

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Elmer J Fudd

8 years ago

last modified: 8 years ago

No apology is necessary.

I'm not a forum sheriff or anything like that. Do whatever you like. I'm just suggesting that it's good form (and common courtesy) to write internet forum comments using proper punctuation and proper language. Everyone makes mistakes and misspellings, that's no problem, but cutesy language and someone's idea of humor or clever abbreviations can turn reading into a drudgery.

People come here to help and to learn, Unless I see a particular item to be of immediate interest, I personally avoid comments that require more than normal effort to get through. I'd guess I'm not alone with that. Most people will avoid a post in all caps, or with run on sentences and poor punctuation, or colloquial words or abbreviations, or whatever. Do as you like, I'm just suggesting you consider things from a reader's perspective if you make a post asking for help.

The various random utilities you have that you found interfere with one another suggest taking a different approach. If you delete all these and install one good anti-virus program, you'll have better protection and no operating problems. Again, do as you like.

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8 years ago
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mxyplux
Original Author
8 years ago
Well let's see. (This is going to be fun).

Yes it's internet sites slow loading and changing pages etc 10-15 sec. Onboard stuff runs OK.

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2 browsers: IE11 and Maxthon v4.4.7.3000

Same problem with both browsers. Got Google Chrome on board for a spare - never use it.

Virtually no add ons just adblock+ on IE it's built into Maxthon makes it an even 1.

Hist and cookies clun out regular

No new programs

no new hardware

1 anti virus - Avast

msconfig start up 7: Intel igfxpers, Intel hkcmd, MS Sidebar, Rainlendar(calendar), WinPatrol, Avast, Adfender.

Processes 63

computer noise normal fan no gravel in the differential

Case clun out couple times a year (got air filters on too) never much in there.

Process temp ????? My temp checking app was for XP never bothered with on W/7 I just now downloaded Core-Temp and tried to check it but it just read 0ºC - tad bit low? so I ejected it. Try sumthon else. Just feeling the top of the case (HP DC7600 sff) feels like 100ºF (slightly warm) so CPU can't be too far from that.
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8 years ago
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kudzu9
8 years ago
Are you sure about those specs on your hard drive? That's a very tiny drive. My 8 year old desktop running Vista is 500GB.
bengz6westmd
8 years ago
Yeah, the drive size (75GB???) seems like a major mismatch w/the other hardware. Is that the whole drive or just a partition? My box is similar but came w/a 1 TB drive (1000 GB). If that's really the drive size, it's certainly a major bottleneck -- my Win7 alone takes up 160 GB!
mxyplux
Original Author
8 years ago
Ya, Hd is nominal 80g. New modem. ATT DSL. Wired. No router - old one died a while back. Got this from Geek.com $125 WITH shipping XP Pro Refurbished. Really had no need for a bigger HD. They went belly up - damn shame. So! Overnight I thunk of the following:

2 items

1.)I wonder if it is my download speed. Typically a site coughs right up but it takes 5-10 seconds to settle out till I can maneuver around like scroll down etc. Change page? same story 5-10 seconds.

I checked down load speed on Geeks and also ATT sites got the same number. Down 1.3 Mbps Up 0.32Mbps. I then perused the ATT site (like pushing string) and there are 12 tiers of service. I believe mine is second lowest "up to 1.5 Mbps" cause that fits the test results. Labelled "express" service-Hah!)

I can certainly afford a new comp and not cheap either but I'd want to make sure what the real problem is first.

================================

2.)Now here is what also flumoxes me; how to compare what I have vs a new outfit, for example:

My comp: Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.00GHz 3.00GHz (What's that 2nd 3.00GHz?)

HP Elite Desk 800 G1 SFF: IntelCore i5-4590 with HD Graphics 45600 (3.3GHz,6MB cache, 4 cores)

Huh? Presumably the Elite is newer and more betta but just how much?
chas045
8 years ago
I'm no expert but having just had an issue with slow web page loading, I have a couple thoughts. I didn't believe that I actually had a computer issue and that appears to be correct. My old DSL modem was just too old/slow. When it was replaced, all was well. Admittedly, I have a 10 mbit/sec connection while you have 1.5. That could explain everything except that when I was running 3m bits/sec. I usually got moderately good connection. In any case, I think a speed increase would be a far cheaper solution versus a new computer. I have an old win7 computer with half your memory, but twice your drive size with exactly the same current free space. It is now running fine. I just checked and almost no memory is being used while on firefox/gardenweb.

No one has suggested a reason why poor internet issues would create 100% memory usage. I would guess that you have a separate issue, but perhaps someone would hazard an internet memory hogging method.
kudzu9
8 years ago
Your download speed is pretty marginal, so that could be part of the issue, especially because speeds vary. I supposedly have a 35Mbps connection, but a couple of times a year I can notice a lag, and the speed test can show as low as 1Mbps, which means I need to reboot the modem. You might benefit from a new modem: you could be having intermittent problems from it that slow it down to below what you just measured.

In addition, that is a very strange hard drive size: the seller probably saved $10 by putting in that one rather than one ten times that size. Since that was a refurbished unit, originally running XP, that could be a 10 year old system, so I'd say it's time to get yourself a new computer. For less than $400 you can get a desktop tower (for example, from Dell) that will run circles around what you have.
mxyplux
Original Author
8 years ago
Memory usage is around 33%. It's the CPU that's 100%

Click Computer it coughs up Windows (C:) 39.5GB free of 74.5GB

Right click C > properties it coughs up the pie chart with: 42.5 free of 74.5GB

Who to believe? I'm leaning toward the pie chart.

I guess its 80,024,170,496 bytes = 74.5GB. Nominal 80

I'm sure this machine is left over from when 60-80 was huge - long time. That's about when Pentium 4 came along too if I recall correctly.

I think first thing is to up the speed. That's cheep and would answer that question. I'm after a new outfit anyway but not w/o clearing this up. First things first.

Now it's time to go enjoy watching the 49ers get their butts whipped. :)
zep516
8 years ago
Either-way the hard drive space does not appear to be an issue, windows only needs 15 to 20 percent free space that's 20% of 74GB and you're in range.

If the cpu usage is 100percent then that's going to slow the works down. What's taking up the cpu.

When you get a moment,

Get Process Explorer
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

Save it to your desktop then run it (Vista or Win7 - right click and Run As Administrator).
1 View, Select Column, check Verified Signer, OK

2 Options, Verify Image Signatures

3 Click twice on the CPU column header to sort things by CPU usage with the big hitters at the top.
Wait a minute then:

File, Save As, Save. Open the file Procexp.txt on your desktop and copy and paste the text to a reply.
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8 years ago
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mxyplux
Original Author
8 years ago
ZEP- I'll work on that sometime this week.

Bugs- 1 comp only. I wanted to illustrate why I personally can't compare my old fliver with the potentially new outfits as advertised. The INtel i5...was copied off HP website store of what looked like a comparable comp. Modem new last year - don't prove it's good tho.
User
8 years ago
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bengz6westmd
8 years ago
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I have a mere 1.2 Mbit/s (download) DSL connection, and pages load fast enough on Firefox. YouTube videos usually run w/o pausing. However, alot of tweaks speed it up -- a huge host file to block ads & trackers, noscript & ghostery add-ons to block even more, the fastest custom DNS servers available (determined w/a DNS tester program). So I'm not sure why surfing is so slow, other than your small drive is necessitating alot of page-file swapping and/or your browser's having trouble caching pages.

W/Linux it's simple to view how much page-file is being used with the "free" command, but not so simple w/Windows -- task manager isn't clear to me how much swap file is actually being used.

IMO, I'd try a much bigger HD before buying a new box. Again, my box is similar except the much larger HD.
mxyplux
Original Author
8 years ago
Hi ZEP. Here it is. Quite painless. :-) Ha d to split it into 2 pieces.

First:

Process CPU Private Bytes Working Set PID Description Company Name Verified Signer

System Idle Process 74.00 0 K 24 K 0

WmiPrvSE.exe 12.56 10,880 K 10,612 K 3472 WMI Provider Host Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

explorer.exe 5.47 54,988 K 45,388 K 2356 Windows Explorer Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

procexp64.exe 2.70 25,516 K 45,996 K 7428 Sysinternals Process Explorer Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com (Verified) Microsoft Corporation

sidebar.exe 1.45 74,288 K 27,580 K 2124 Windows Desktop Gadgets Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

taskmgr.exe 0.67 3,108 K 9,208 K 6132 Windows Task Manager Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

AvastSvc.exe 0.64 88,400 K 42,980 K 1056 avast! Service AVAST Software (Verified) AVAST Software a.s.

Interrupts 0.49 0 K 0 K n/a Hardware Interrupts and DPCs

svchost.exe 0.43 107,556 K 104,216 K 864 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

csrss.exe 0.38 19,304 K 11,780 K 420 Client Server Runtime Process Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

System 0.38 132 K 440 K 4

svchost.exe 0.35 41,560 K 39,132 K 924 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

node.exe 0.21 23,644 K 17,660 K 1392 Evented I/O for V8 JavaScript Joyent, Inc (No signature was present in the subject) Joyent, Inc

MAHostService.exe 0.08 1,620 K 612 K 1344 MAHostService Alcatel-Lucent (No signature was present in the subject) Alcatel-Lucent

lsass.exe 0.04 5,088 K 6,324 K 480 Local Security Authority Process Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

AvastUI.exe 0.03 21,872 K 19,236 K 1916 avast! Antivirus AVAST Software (Verified) AVAST Software a.s.

Rainlendar2.exe 0.03 18,248 K 13,824 K 2188 Rainlendar2 (No signature was present in the subject)

AdFender.exe 0.02 23,688 K 16,144 K 1116 AdFender AdFender, Inc. (Verified) AdFender

wmpnetwk.exe 0.01 12,180 K 11,260 K 2764 Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

MasSvc.exe 0.01 2,224 K 2,632 K 2028 Maxthon App Store Service Maxthon Inc. (Verified) Maxthon (Asia) Limited.

taskhost.exe 0.01 20,832 K 15,188 K 2924 Host Process for Windows Tasks Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

SASCORE64.EXE < 0.01 1,476 K 508 K 1312 Core Service SUPERAntiSpyware.com (Verified) SUPERAntiSpyware.com

svchost.exe < 0.01 161,708 K 21,884 K 2196 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

svchost.exe < 0.01 32,204 K 10,740 K 916 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

MaxthonAppStore.exe < 0.01 7,088 K 432 K 3428 Maxthon App Store Maxthon Inc. (Verified) Maxthon (Asia) Limited.

MaxthonAppStore.exe < 0.01 7,412 K 180 K 1208 Maxthon App Store Maxthon Inc. (Verified) Maxthon (Asia) Limited.

WinPatrol.exe < 0.01 3,380 K 4,564 K 2848 WinPatrol System Monitor BillP Studios (Verified) BillP Studios

notepad.exe < 0.01 1,500 K 4,984 K 5876 Notepad Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

csrss.exe < 0.01 2,228 K 2,108 K 368 Client Server Runtime Process Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

MaxthonUpdateSvc.exe < 0.01 5,264 K 5,104 K 2076 Maxthon (Verified) Maxthon (Asia) Limited.

MaxthonAppstoreSvc.exe < 0.01 4,164 K 4,688 K 1848 Maxthon (Verified) Maxthon (Asia) Limited.

WmiPrvSE.exe 7,468 K 10,932 K 6100 WMI Provider Host Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

winlogon.exe 2,976 K 484 K 536 Windows Logon Application Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

wininit.exe 1,608 K 220 K 408 Windows Start-Up Application Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

UpdaterService.exe 1,408 K 2,080 K 1636 Updater Service Acer Incorporated (Verified) Acer Incorporated
mxyplux
Original Author
8 years ago
Hi ZEP. Here it is. Quite painless. :-) Ha d to split it into 2 pieces.

Second:

unsecapp.exe 1,764 K 2,276 K 3660 Sink to receive asynchronous callbacks for WMI client application Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

UninstallMonitor.exe 6,916 K 1,636 K 4000 IObit (Verified) IObit Information Technology

TrustedInstaller.exe 41,368 K 16,364 K 324 Windows Modules Installer Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

taskhost.exe 9,364 K 2,020 K 3116 Host Process for Windows Tasks Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

taskeng.exe 1,808 K 5,036 K 5684 Task Scheduler Engine Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

svchost.exe 5,304 K 5,540 K 724 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

svchost.exe 4,136 K 716 K 3852 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

svchost.exe 10,740 K 7,292 K 1224 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

svchost.exe 19,320 K 11,952 K 812 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

svchost.exe 4,756 K 4,812 K 636 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

svchost.exe 12,168 K 12,384 K 892 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

svchost.exe 6,664 K 6,624 K 1428 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

svchost.exe 2,640 K 1,968 K 112 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

svchost.exe 4,708 K 2,232 K 1380 Host Process for Windows Services Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

spoolsv.exe 7,548 K 4,484 K 1196 Spooler SubSystem App Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

smss.exe 520 K 284 K 272 Windows Session Manager Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

services.exe 5,260 K 5,332 K 456 Services and Controller app Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

schtasks.exe 4,488 K 580 K 4328 Manages scheduled tasks Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

procexp.exe 2,608 K 6,888 K 6160 Sysinternals Process Explorer Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com (Verified) Microsoft Corporation

pcCMService.exe 2,008 K 1,360 K 2248 mcci+McciCMService Alcatel-Lucent (No signature was present in the subject) Alcatel-Lucent

pcCMService.exe 1,724 K 1,160 K 2144 mcci+McciCMService Alcatel-Lucent (No signature was present in the subject) Alcatel-Lucent

msiexec.exe 3,720 K 1,088 K 6112 Windows® installer Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

lsm.exe 2,640 K 1,832 K 488 Local Session Manager Service Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

igfxsrvc.exe 2,048 K 2,880 K 1920 igfxsrvc Module Intel Corporation (Verified) Intel Corporation

igfxpers.exe 1,920 K 2,528 K 992 persistence Module Intel Corporation (Verified) Intel Corporation

iexplore.exe 10,960 K 11,136 K 2544 Internet Explorer Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Corporation

HPSIsvc.exe 1,740 K 1,372 K 1608 HP Smart-Install Service HP (Verified) Hewlett-Packard Company

hkcmd.exe 1,848 K 1,664 K 1264 hkcmd Module Intel Corporation (Verified) Intel Corporation

GWX.exe 3,584 K 1,020 K 3540 GWX Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

ftex.exe 364 K 72 K 4164 (Verified) Maxthon (Asia) Limited.

ftex.exe 364 K 72 K 5928 (Verified) Maxthon (Asia) Limited.

FCUpdateService.exe 1,168 K 412 K 1452 Foxit Cloud Safe Update Service Foxit Software Inc. (Verified) Foxit Software Incorporated

Everything.exe 14,924 K 6,368 K 4376 Everything (No signature was present in the subject)

dwm.exe 2,092 K 1,008 K 2448 Desktop Window Manager Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

conhost.exe 1,312 K 664 K 1464 Console Window Host Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

conhost.exe 1,028 K 372 K 4932 Console Window Host Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows

agcp.exe 2,152 K 4,040 K 8056 agcp.exe Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Corporation
mxyplux
Original Author
8 years ago
:-) :-)

Bugs- as I understand it your new computers will have the following specs:

Acer Aspire V5 573p-6896. Στρώση υπερλέπτων υπόθεση, Intel i5 @ της 1.66 GHz τετραπλού πυρήνα, mSATA 256gb SSD Drive για το λειτουργικό σύστημα και 500gb πρότυπο σκληρός οδηγώ για αποθήκευση, 12GB DDR3 RAM (maxed έξω), HD4400 γραφικών Intel, 15.6' IPS (In-Plane μεταγωγής) οθόνη αφής @ της 1920 x 1080 dpi, WiFi Bluetooth 4.0, LAN, έξοδο HDMI, 32 x 2.0 USB, 1 x 3,0 USB 4 ηχείων Dolby προώθησε την ακουστική v4, Extra-Lg Touchpad, αναγνώστη καρτών SD ,

:-)
kudzu9
8 years ago

MEGO

;-)
Elmer J Fudd
8 years ago
OP's comments in Latin script aren't much easier to follow, that's why I've stayed out. The discussion is now off the road and into the weeds anyway.
zep516
8 years ago
Just a few things noticed,

Are you using that sidebar.exe, it's for gadgets and looks high, I'd be disabling that. See link.
sidebar.exe 1.45 74,288 K 27,580 K 2124 Windows Desktop Gadgets Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/3255/disable-sidebar-desktop-gadgets-on-windows-7/
******************************************************************************************
explorer.exe 5.47 54,988 K 45,388 K 2356 Windows Explorer Microsoft Corporation (Verified) Microsoft Windows
That looks a bit high to me. (explorer.exe) is responsible for the desktop, icons, taskbar.
As you use the computer check in the task manager to see what explorer.exe is doing and how much it might be increasing.

Hopefully you have done a Malwarebytes scan.
Everything else looks normal.
I don't like anything IBOT, I would consider uninstalling anything related to it

UninstallMonitor.exe 6,916 K 1,636 K 4000 IObit (Verified) IObit Information Technology
mxyplux
Original Author
8 years ago
Thankyou.

Gadgets is gone I was using it but had quit - no loss.

IOBot is gone.

Lotsa icons and stuff on the desktop. Could that cause explorer.exe to work overtime?

I've looked the processes over many times nothing struck me as xs've.

I will rerun Malawarebytes just to be thorough.
mxyplux
Original Author
8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago
Mistaking Greek for Latin demonstrates an educational background that is sadly lacking.
zep516
8 years ago
"Lotsa icons and stuff on the desktop. Could that cause explorer.exe to work overtime?"

It's possible, but I'm not for certain. My explore. exe is currently at 1500k. On my 64Bit win 7 it's at 10k via my task manager. With Firefox open.

Yours is at 45,388 K . I wonder if yours has gone down with the fixing of sidebar.exe. It just seems a bit high to me...
Elmer J Fudd
8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago
I was talking about your posts from yesterday, with made up words and abbreviations. Maybe you thought it was clever? I didn't want to exert the needless effort to figure out what you were saying so I moved on, that was my comment.

Languages? Sure. Other than English? Yes, I'm fluent in one, speak another very passably, and can converse adequately in two others. Yes, I recognized the Greek letters, it wasn't clear (as with the made up words) what you were trying to convey, I've lived and worked in Europe (not with a military or govt job and not with a college year abroad program) and have been to Greece.

You?

PS- your situation doesn't require much diagnosis. You have a machine with limited specs that's misbehaving and you can afford to buy a new one. That's the best approach in my view.
mxyplux
Original Author
8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago
Please accept my apologies Snidely. My point was all those specs are Greek to me. Did you miss that? I thought it was clear & humorous - maybe not. After many years writing NACA/NASA technical type stuff I have rebelled and enjoy writing in something other than 3rd person impersonal with stilted phrasing and totally correct syntax, lexicon etc. that has to pass through an editorial committee of 4 with at least one of whom English was not their first language.

I hardly think my mangled words are any worse than texting abbreviations and do believe they are phonetically correct and/or a good approximation to the spoken word which is certainly difrunt (different) from the written word,

I was in Canada one time, 2 minutes. Long hair, beard, dog, rifle, jeep with California plates, wife with long black hair - nope - they turned us around. 1961.

Thank you for your opinion. I agree.

Edit: should have wrote: I agree that it should probly be replaced but not until the exact problem is pinned down.
mxyplux
Original Author
8 years ago
Well as usual if you keep thrashing around enough with a problem it will get solved. Might be a lot of blind alleys along the way but eventually one will open up. I was running both AdFender and AdBlockPlus same time. I disabled AdBlockPlus and the problem has gone away. AdFender is still running, no apparent problems.

So! It would seem my old blunderbuss is not to fault and my "Express" (Hah) DL speed of 1.3 Mbps is sufficient.

Thank you all for contributing to and helping me with this amazing breakthru.

　

Questions remain though.

Can ADFender and ADBlock be ran same time w/o problems?

Would this have happened with a newer machine?

Would a faster download speed have overcome it?

Would it happen if I disabled AdFender and left AdBlockPlus running instead?

I will psyche these out when time allows.

　

　

　

　
mxyplux
Original Author
8 years ago
I will mend my ways forthwith and from this day forward. I never thunk of - uh - hadn’t thought about it that way.
kudzu9
8 years ago
I have to agree wth Snidely: It seems sometimes like half the problems people ask for help with here are from downloading multiple things online that are supposed to do wonders for their computers...and end up messing things up even more, either because they dump all kind of toolbars and malware on one's system, or they fight with one another. Keeping things simple, using the tools that are already packaged with Windows, and having one good antivirus program and one or two on-demand malware programs is all most people need. As they say: Less is more.

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