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help me make up my mind!!!

8 years ago

I know, it's pathetic, asking strangers on Internet to help me decide,but ok, so I'm pathetic. There's this rose nursery here in Tuscany offering two roses that really intrigue me: a truly violet/dark mauve climber called Audacieuse 21 and the TomCarruth rose Outta the Blue. Both are quite rare in Europe; on HMF, I see that there are no nurseries listed as carrying Audacieuse.

https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.68915 http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.32125 ( these are the coordinates on HMF for these roses, but I don't know how to turn them into a link)

Now, the problem is, Outta the Blue is only available in a pot; supposedly a large, 6 foot tall specimen. If I go ahead and splurge, the total will come to 68 euros: 18 for the bare-root Audacieuse, 25 for the potted Outta the Blue,and a whopping 25 more for shipping! I guess I feel perplexed because my large tree order from Pistoia that included a well-developed cypress tree about 5 feet tall and a large box containing 11 smaller trees was sent for only 24 euros shipping! However another tree order from a different nursery in Pistoia cost 40 euros for shipping .This, too, was very large: 14 plants,four of which are between 4 and 5 feet tall,5 others are between 1 and 3 feet tall. All of these-from both nurseries- were potted plants. It's a well-known fact that shipping costs can be shockingly high, of course. I suppose I could try going in person to the nursey and pick up the plants myself, but I only drive locally,and don't much feel like accepting the challenge. Going by public transportation might not be do-able and in any case might cost almost 25 euros ,plus can you see me lugging around a six-foot potted plant on buses and trains??? (sad to say, I sort of CAN see myself in this role, though I don't much want to lol ). So, what do you all think? Is it worth the splurge? any ideas on why the shipping costs from the various nurseries might differ so much? the distance is not that great. I can only think that this rose man is not very experienced with packing and shipping plants,and therefore doesn't know how to do it cheaply ,or else that there's a sort of flat fee for large plants,so whether you get one or five you wind up paying more or less the same...

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pat_bamaz7

8 years ago

last modified: 8 years ago

As Zack mentioned, Outta the Blue is not a dark, smoky mauve like Nanadoll's Twilight Zone or Ebb Tide. The blooms on mine start out a rather bright magenta and then fade to various shades of bluish mauve as they age. Large bush with few thorns, nicely fragrant blooms and fairly blackspot resistant for a modern rose here.

A bush shot of mine from its spring flush in May:

and here's a bloom shot

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zack_lau z6 CT ARS Consulting Rosarian
8 years ago
I never see the dark mauve on the Weeks web site. Instead, mine looks more like this

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=36359

It is a big vigorous rose, easily filling the 6x6 feet I have for it. I'm sure it would get even bigger if it had the room. It is fragrant, but I think it may not have the color you want. Another rose that has a dark mauve color is Midnight Blue.

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1674229/rose-midnight-blue
Jasminerose, California, USDA 9b/Sunset 18
8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago
When I want to cheer myself up about how much I'm spending on a rooted rose, I look at the price of cut flowers on Valentine's day. A rooted rose is a bargain, because it will give you roses for years to come. However, if you are choosing just one rose, I would pick Audacieuse 21 , since it seems to be the harder rose to find and is quite beautiful. I love climbers and that rose seems like quite a find!
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hmm...I keep on going back and forth. If I do an order at all, I plan to get both,because one is a bare-root (Audacieuse). But if I just got that, shipping would still be 15 euros...see what I mean? now I'm talking myself into saying "yes",thinking "o, it's just anothe 10 euros more , and, after all, 25 euros isn't an exaggerated price at all for such a big plant" Actually, I think both roses are very rare here in Europe, for though it's listed as being carried by a few European nurseries,I'm checking the actual sites listed on HMF,and so far only Dima in France seems to really have it (I have yet to check the Russian nursery). But that is the only thing in particular that I can see really catches my eye from this Dima nursery, and it makes no sense to make an order just for one bare-root rose; I mean, 16 euros, plus shipping, and there I am again spending 25 euros or so...I've also ruled out going to pick it up by public transportation; that, too, would wind up costing me about 20 euros, so for five more I save myself a lot of time and trouble.
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8 years ago
Another picture of Audacieuse 21.

http://allthingsplants.com/plants/photo/315526/
Jasminerose, California, USDA 9b/Sunset 18
8 years ago
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Wow, that is gorgeous. I'm so envious of your dilemma.
nanadollZ7 SWIdaho
8 years ago
Is Twilight Zone, another Carruth rose, available in Italy? Or perhaps Ebb Tide? Diane

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN
8 years ago
One word: YES.

lol. So now you've been enabled. Get that Audacieuse in your hands ASAP.

Oh, and the OTB, too.

John
nanadollZ7 SWIdaho
8 years ago
I guess I interpreted dark mauve as more purple. I'm just curious if Blue Bayou is available in Europe (it isn't in the U.S.)? Diane

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mariannese
8 years ago
I am absolutely no help because I love to go and pick up a rose in person at the nursery. My husband and I had a lovely 4 day trip to Uetersen near Hamburg just to look at a couple of roses and eventually bought them but we took the trip as a holiday. Why can you drive only locally? Perhaps you can get a friend to go with you and share the driving?
summersrhythm_z6a
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I'd drive there to visit the nursery. How far is it? The money you saved in the shipping, you can get more roses. :-)
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OK, you've convinced me! Thank you all! Actually I really would enjoy going in person with my DH, but he's not into gardening and frankly ,this is an extremely busy time in our lives. We both could so use a "lovely four day trip" like mariannese had with her DH,but I'm afraid it ain't going to happen for a while,alas; he's got so many irons on the fire, and so do I.

I'm not a confident driver. I've never driven on a busy highway here in Italy; I did a bit of highway driving way way back when I was a girl, but my dad was sitting right beside me! So it's not that I can't do such a drive, it's just that the idea is a real challenge and when I ever do take such a step, I want to have someone with me. Many other drivers are extremely competitive,for example,and that really rattles me: the other cars streaming all round, being obliged to go fast,worrying that my own anxiety would cause me to drive in a way that would put others as well as myself in danger,etc. Another drawback: I don't have a navigator or any such thing in my car,and am lousy at reading maps,so that would just add to the anxiety problem. And the fact is nobody gives you gas for free. Sure, it wouldn't cost 25 euros to drive there,but adding everything together,I think it's worth it.

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