Love love love my SQ top load washer and dryer!

Rofl..larsi I will address this when I get home...lol

Larsi needs to have some wine and sit out by the pool for a while and let the SQ thoughts subside. LOL

Lol Sparky, Larsi just returned from poolside, Hawaii! !! But seriously Larsi take some time to think this thru haha...omg and you already measured...how high is your platform and what's your height? I'm 5.5 and I can reach into my tub, but its not on a platform...if it was I'd need stilts or a step stool..lol. let us know what you decide...don't listen to sparky on this one you have to be sober for this lmao

@Mama....I'm only 5'8, so not much taller than you ;) We did some more measuring, and with our concrete platform (it's about 8.5/9 inches) we had built in our laundry room (so we would never have to buy expensive & stupid frontloader pedestals ever again)...it would make a top loader too tall for me to reach my arm in and retrieve laundry way at the bottom. It could be done on "tippy toes" or with a small step stool, but that is kind of silly! My heavy water usage dreams of getting your SQ I think have been drowned, LOL.

Good thing I love my Electrolux (I do however love the SQ frontloader and the Miele Little Giant too....so who knows, down the road, there might be a new toy in my future). HA!! :)

Larsi - there is always room for a TL. In as much as I love my FL, there are still items and applications where the traditional TL just plain outperforms. That's largely because of water volume and how they clean. The old school machines were workhorses! Better get one before the government drives the final nail by the end of this year I believe.

rpsinfoman, give me an example where the TL out preforms a FL. I have both, a 1988 Maytag and my lovely newish Miele. Our Maytag has been a work horse. I do DH chore clothes in it for the most part. Just curious your take on what washing jobs do better in a TL.

Sure. Very heavily soiled dirty greasy grimmey construction, mill clothes. Feces laden pet blankets. Salon towels where there is lots of hair. Just a few. These applications need lots of water, something that a new modern FL does not provide. Sure it cleans them but not as quickly and effectlively as 26 gallons of water sloshing through the goods. 40 min. vs 2+ hours. Dont want to gross you out but try washing large microfiber blankets that poochie had a bad round of soft diahreaa. That needs lots of flushing and water.

Larsi, the gov. Is pushing speed queen against a brick wall, the top loader speed queen with full fill and true hot water will soon be a thing of the past, speed queen is draging their feet as long as possible, but when push comes to shove, speed queen has decided to stop production of their top loader with the dial , they will only make the electronic model, with all gov regulations in effect. If you really wsnt one nows the time, even if your just going to leave it boxed as a sort of future sales. Lol.

Thank goodness these machines will be a thing of the past. Water is a precious commodity, and as evidenced by conditions in the Western U.S., it's about time that controls are being put onto manufacturers that cater to selfish minded children! - "I want mine! I don't care what it does to other people and the environment, I just want..."

Divorce humans from nature and watch amazed how ignorance abounds.

rps... Which comment mentions "water shortage"? If you are referring to mine, I suggest a reading comprehension class.

The U.S. Constitution mandates Government to Regulate Commerce. The Federal Government has every right to apply their restrictions over any industry which detrimentally affects the Nation as a whole.

Perhaps a civics class is also in order?

Shall we next go to economics and water usage? Nah... It's a waste of my time. And like clean water, that too is a precious commodity.

Yep... divorce humans from nature and watch amazed how ignorance... and yes, selfishness... abound!

Rgreen - yes your wasting my time and yours preaching such retorhic. I respect your right to have an opinion, however that's yours, not mine! Have a great day!

Green, enjoy your air conditioner while you can, if the tree huggers have it their way gov regulations will allow you home to be cooled somewhere arount 7 degrees cooler than outdoor temps..I'm just sayin...by the way..I USE PHOSPHATES!!!!!

I don't have AC. I do have shade trees. I think I'll go out and hug them! In fact, I'll thank them by urinating on their roots in broad daylight.

Divorce humans from nature and watch amazed as their ignorance causes them to panic, flail aimlessly and fleetingly at those who remind them of their connection to the environment, and see them get worked up when their AC might be taken away.

Hey rgreen...how about finishing the "selfish" sentence... I want mine TO WORK. The first 20+ years of the new efficient washing machines have not gone well for many. The last thing you want to be doing is redoing each load in order to get it clean, that is waste. Not to mention how badly people felt when they pay a small fortune for a new machine only to find out it really doesn't work. I think that most people just want to do their laundry once, correctly, the first time. Until very recently the manufacturers have done a piss poor job of making machines that work with a lower amount of water and soap manufacturers haven't been helpful either. So before you start blaming people and labeling them as ignorant and selfish I think you should go look in your own bathroom mirror and understand who exactly is contributing to the problems and not resolving them. It is too easy to be nasty, dogmatic and critical.

Here is some of your own attitude back…

I'm just sayin'...

P.S. Some of us actually do read the government websites and understand the regulations and respect and abide by them and agree to their right to regulate. That being said the government can set the parameters but they cannot make anyone invent something that works well within those parameters.

Green, thank you....you gave me a good laugh, I really doubt you will cause any panic in anyone here, try over on automaticwasher.org...they will shred your words apart...now run along. By the way that * divorce humans * do you know whose famous words that belongs to?

I want to apologize, I did react, I'm sure that's what green wanted but still no excuse for how I reacted, if I offended any of you amazing people here I'm truly sorry.

Actually nothing wrong with being more eco friendly, doesn't make someone lesser because they are eco friendly, I had no right calling anyone a nasty name over it. I do however think we should be given a choice, the eco model or the non eco model. Lol. And I feel that choice should be up to the manufacters, not the gov. Not when it comes to washing machines.

Green I apologize for calling you a name, that's all I'm apologizing to you for. I respect your feelings on this matter, but not how you voice them. There was no reason for you to to criticize anyone here. Besides more people would listen to what you have to say if it was said in a respectfull way.

It is not my intention to get you to 'react' in a defensive manner. It is, however, my intention to scold you for your selfish, me-first attitudes.

For how many millennia did humans wash clothing by hand in streams and open water sources? How many people around the world are still forced to do such manual labor? I have done it, it's hard work!

For a relatively brief time during the 20th and early 21st centuries, Western Civilization went down a path rife with selfishness and waste, divorced from nature in knowledge, practice, and spirit. Generations born and living through that time period carry with them an ugly ignorance of how the smallest of actions effect a larger world.

In a time when pressure is being exerted from many sources and people to fight back against the ignorance and selfishness of these fast-dying generations, we see them writhe against rationality and sensibility. They attack the people instead of the actions.

You call me 'tree hugger' in an attempt to marginalize and belittle. You call for your comrades in an effort to feel esteem as part of an embattled righteous tribe. However, such self-righteousness fails before reason.

People from these generations hide behind so-called 'rights' without regard for the morality that would gird any virtuous 'right'.

Fathom the depths of fetishistic thinking that makes one obsess over whether they got their laundry 'clean' when visualized against the backdrop of traditional hand-washing!

We wonder why we suffer OCD disorders of epidemic proportions, where people would rub their hands raw and even throw away a perfectly good article of clothing because it has a spot. Sadly witness a society that judges on the whiteness of their whites, or the brightness of their colors.

Mourn as millions of humans fall prey to the commercialization and the manipulations of advertisement. Cry as people's worlds become so small that they feel involve themselves in aggrandizing discussions containing complaints that their washers might not use enough water to get clothes clean enough for shallow standards of commercialized socialization!

And you too writhe with anger when someone reminds you of your folly!

Thank you for your apology, but yes, I did speak in a scolding tone. I think it deserved. I too was raised in these generations, and I was scolded. Spare the rod, spoil the child. The rod does not have to be physical, it is a reminder and teacher of proper behavior. I chose to be direct and forceful because of the seriousness of the issue and the need for the lessons to run deep into the psyche.

That said... yes, it is natural, and understandable to 'kick against the goads'. May your graciousness follow your intentions and wisdom guide your self-redirection.

Time out, I have to go switch my clothes to the dryer.

Mourn as millions fall prey to ISIS....

We all have first world problems here trying this detergent over that one and comparing water levels on our $1000 washers.

rgreen has a pedantic writing style -- sorry hon, but handed down isn't very friendly -- but the whole universe of water/weather right now can be daunting if someone lives in one of the affected areas. No one here needs to be told/reminded since it's on every newscast.

One of the reasons we have so much legislation is that we are all not "of a mind" about most things in this country -- unlike other nations. That's both a strength and a weakness. But on a laundry forum the concern is methodology. If that rankles, that rankles.

Mr.(?) Green, most of the he machines are designed to last maybe 10 yr. and lots of people have issues with them. I got rid of my because it shook the house and walked across the floor. Was afraid it would do damage to my house and it did not clean as well as my old or my new water hogs.

If you want to tear into anybody, why not start on the disposable diaper industry. Now that is a waste and landfill disaster. If you think your clothes will get clean and sanitized with a gallon of water that takes hours of energy use to accomplish, then go for it.

You and Al Gore have fun, now ya hear.

Just see this give me a sec here lol

Green....why not use your own words..sure you typed in a few laundry words but the bulk of what you've said is NOT your words..shame on you did you have permission to quote another? And you think to scold me! What a laugh, you might consider finding another place to spout your nonsense, and I don't feel scolded in the least. Last week while in pittsburgh a man with a bull horn was spouting some of the same things your saying, was that you.. one thing though, you got it right calling me ** Your Graciouness** however did you know I'm a *Laundry Queen*.....now run along I have laundry and washer stories to share. By the way shove your rod up your....

The 'bulk' of my words are definitely my own. I quoted only the Bible, and by way of reply, the few words of some on this forum (as in 'bulk'.)

In an earlier comment, you allude to the phrase 'divorce humans' as coming from some source as if it requires quoting.

In my usage, as I have done previously, I used the verb 'divorce' as it is defined by many a reference work; as in... "to separate; cut off:"

I then 'married' that word to the plural noun - 'humans...' -
"a person, especially as distinguished from other animals or as representing the human species."

It's not really verbal acrobatics. I'm disappointed that you deem it special that those words be put together when discussing man's (and woman's) relationship (or lack of it) to the environment and the world around them. Such terminology seems only natural.

I understand that it's popular to put-down people who are sensitive to the world around them, but such belittling does not detract from the virtuousness of such an ideal.

Green, I don't make it a habit to *put-down people, I'm not usually that type of Queen, however you came in here cruising for a argument, I don't really care where you get your nouns or verbs..nor do I care about anything that seems to be disturbing you..you may have had the attention of some very good folks, you might even have impressed upon someone the importance of being ECO friendly, but not the way you've done it. This is a forum about laundry, its not the place for these conversations, you've gone beyond talking ECO, and if it doesn't disturb anyone else here, it does disturb me. I don't want to hear about your scolding or sparing me the rod, I don't want to hear anything else you have to say. I can't prevent you from saying what you want, but don't say it to me..if you need the last word, fine., .

O M F G!! All this over me wanting a top loader SQ that uses lots of water. Ok, Ok....I will stick to my Electrolux that uses 0.4 gallons of water to rinse! LOL

Lol Larsi....yep he/ she couldn't take all that water, its ok though, I explained that I'm a Queen, so all is quiet now in laundry land..hahaha

rgreen48 - Your posts are just plain old bullying, and this forum does not appreciate that kind of aggressive and oppressive behavior. These forums are a community of regulars who often come in to chat, get information, and help each other out. They do not come here to be attacked. I've never found any of the fine people here to be small minded or be dismissive of opposing opinions. In fact, I've witnessed and participated in lively debate where the positive expression of opinions has opened others' eyes about a given subject. However, when you engage in name calling, belittling and putting others down, you will lose your audience and your message will never reach those whose minds you are trying to influence.

For what it's worth, I own a FL washer (yes, a water saver), I am completely satisfied with how it cleans and I don't need a machine that sloshes clothes around in a tub of water. But you've even ostracized me from listening to your rants because of your belligerent approach.

BTW - this forum has an informal rule to not "hijack" another person's thread with a different topic. If you want to debate water saving washers vs. water hogs, start your own thread.

I apologize for my part in this, I allowed myself to say things I should have kept to myself or worded in a different way, next time I will think before speaking. Again I am sorry.

mamapinky0 - please understand my post was NOT directed at you. I thought you remained respectful in the face of being provoked unnecessarily. I should have been more clear in my original post, that I have now edited. I hope you continue to enjoy your new SQ!!

Thank you Jay, lol I was trying to be respectful but it was no easy feat. Yes I am enjoying the SQ its a great machine, lol at least for us few that like old time machines. Hehe..again thank you.