Not me Beaglenc...but for some reason I love the scent of the powder and I'm not a big fan of most scents...does the liquid smell like the powder and does it have enzymes? Sorry Beaglenc I was no help.

Dang Mama! I thought you would know. LOL!! Can't find an ingredient list on their web site.

Lol..guess there are still a few detergents I don't have, mostly liquid. Lol

Did you look on churchdwight.com for the ingredients list

I really like Arm and Hammer with Oxi! The Clean Meadow scent is my favorite scent of the liquids, but they all smell good. Not the best for stains however. I use it for sheets and clothes that are lightly worn. I also use it to make homemade "Febreze" that's how much I like the scent!

I emailed Arm & Hammer about enzymes but have heard nothing. Maybe tomorrow.

Thanks for all the replies, Mamapinky I will try the web site you memtioned. Been a rough couples of days. My daughter lost her best friend last night. She was in an accident and had severe brain damage.

Looked on the Church dwight (sp) site for ingredients, none to be found. Pull up the site map, there it was, filled in the lines, no results found. So, I called them, explained all my steps. She gave me general ingredients, baking soda, brighteners in the oxy formula only and something else. Their formula is can not be published. It's a secret.(Shaking my head and rolling my eyes.) Like Tide or Wisk is going to steal it. Give me a freaking break!!!!! Oh and none have enzymes. Guess I will be passing on this one. I can add my own baking soda to something that will actually clean.

Rant over now, carry on.

I went back and looked at my email to them. They responded 5 days ago that they would get back to me. :(

Geesh..well I spoke to some lady (in walmart) yesterday, I didn't know her, but she was buying liquid arm and hammer so I ask her if its any good, she said not really but her baby is allergic to enzymes and there's no enzymes in the liquid. However when I looked at my powder arm and hammer (alpine clean) there are enzymes in it.

Arm and hammer guarding their formula lol. Even P&G lists much of their ingredients.

Beaglenc...I guess your trying to find a detergent that doesn't leave the scum? I do think the stpp will prevent that, but did you try borax with the detergent? I know its not as good as a phosphate but it may work.

I used to be able to pull ingredients from this Arm & Hammer ingredients page. However, they removed destination PDF files for Arm & Hammer laundry detergent; the links reach an "HTTP 400" dead-end page. (Other Arm & Hammer products pull up OK, though.)

But, fear not, for we have an alternate link here: Arm & Hammer Ingredient Disclosures !!!

I have used both the regular A&H liquid (Clean Burst) and A&H liquid with oxi before. I like the scents, but they are both mediocre performers. They are loaded with optical brighteners, though. I hand washed a few items in the past then used a black light on my rinsed hands. Mercy!

OB' must be cheap. Personally I figured A&H was not a great detergent, but remember we don't always need the big guns. I know I have things that only need a freshening up wash even towels and bedding get changed every 4-5 days here so the cheaper detergents would work fine if spiked with biz or oxy wash.

ArliVie, a big thank you. And Mamapinky, I had my doubts about how well it cleans also. I will not be buying it. I hesitate ordering stpp, it's expensive and if it does make rinsing more difficult, then I've wasted the money. I use borax often and still get the scum.

Beaglenc...maybe you misunderstood me stpp doesn't cause rinsing issues...it helps with rinsing, stripping residue detergents out. But I understand you being leary of ordering it...but let me ask you...I don't know how old you are but are you old enough to remember when detergents really cleaned and rinsed out well? That's because it had stpp in it...the same stpp people order online...but no its not for everyone not everyone needs it. I definitely need it with a 6&7 year old boys ( I'm too old for this lol) .I'm sorry your having these scum issues, but eventually you'll find one that works.

Lol...today family dollar had tide with downy liquid 2-- for 9 dollars and I had a 4 dollar coupon sooo I got it and I don't use liquids often. I have a load of pink bath towels in now...I'm curious as to how it will do. I really have to stop buying detergent. .I'm out of room.lol

mama, please report how you liked the Tide liquid with Downey on your towels when you can.

Hi Pat, first the tide with downy wasn't the he..and it smelled a bit strong in the bottle but I liked it. I did a full load of pink bath towels and white washcloths, no additives as I wanted to see how it would perform on its own. I used to line 3- it suds up a bit more than I like, I probably should have used a bit less since towels do tend to kick up the suds, but it rinsed very well in my water hog. Everything came out clean and fresh smelling no heavy perfume scent, but with a full water rinse I rarely have overwhelminging scents left. My son is folding the towels now, they came out of the dryer smelling fresh and clean.I didn't see any scum. I will say though they appeared more wrinkled from the spin than usual, and I didn't notice they were any softer like I thought they would from softener in the detergent, so I'm thinking the downy part of the detergent is a scent thing. All in all it worked well. Think I'll try it on bedding next.

Hi Mamapinky, LOL, I'm 66 and yes I remember the prephosphate ban detergents. Fresh Start was the absolute best. Don't really remember and rinsing issues with it. Started using WIsk (because it was cheaper than Tide) when FS was discontinued. And come to think of it, IIRC that's when rinsing issues started.

Please keep the stpp posts coming and convince me to bite the bullet.lol

As an after thought, the scum I've been getting is not really visible. It feels like lint or hair but nothing shows up on a dark cloth when I wipe the drum. Might have caught it early enough.

Mampinky, have you used stpp with towels and how does it work on them? Have heard several people have issues rinsing towels in a Speed Queen TL, I do. Have to dose very carefully when washing them.

Several months ago I was at my sons home and helped fold a load of towels, they smelled strongly of detergent and were stiff.It was Obvious they had been overdosed with detergent. when I explained to daughter in law she let me take the towels home to * work on lol. First load I ran thru a hot wash with nothing added, there was a ton of suds I couldn't believe probably 3 inches...it took the wash and 3 rinses to get clear water. The second load I added stpp to the hot wash, again tons of suds, but 1st rinse was clear.I almost always have better rinsing if I use stpp in the wash cycle. Stpp does more than soften water it binds up all the mineral deposits, soap, detergent ect.. and keeps it from redepositing on clothing.

You do use less detergent when using stpp as it makes the detergent work harder. Some people that have suds issues when using stpp is probably because they are using the same amount of detergent as they did without stpp. Its really trial and error when you first start using the stpp.I've found the best method is premixing, I think it was sudsmaster over at AW site that recommends 1 part stpp to 2 parts detergent by weight..so I add 2 pounds detergent to 1 pound stpp, stir it up or shake it up. This formula tends to cause less detergent overdosing, however you can't premixwith lliquid detergent, so you do have to add both separately being careful to use less detergent than you would without stpp, i'd start with 1/2 the usual amount of detergent.

About towels and stpp, lol..be sure to use less detergent with the stpp and you should have no rinsing issues and softer towels.I should tell you since stpp strips detergent residue out of clothing when you first use it, even using less detergent you may have more suds than you like if the clothing has built up detergent. Check out amazon they have a 2 pound bag of stpp with free shipping for under 13 dollars.

Beaglenc, have you ever used the sears powder detergent? I bought the green box 275 loads and the orange box 180 loads a good while ago. I ment to adk if anyone's used it and what they think.